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Title: Linux Newbie
Post by: McGrandpa on November 10, 2018, 04:53:09 PM
LINUX NEWBIE here!   Well, I have messed with it a little bit.  Not a lot, but enough to see that MANY things we touch in life out in the world and throughout the internet are run on Linux.   So I have scarfed a bunch of "highly recommended" items and am ready to be all sorts of disgusting to you experienced users.
Title: Re: Linux Newbie
Post by: Aelin on November 10, 2018, 05:19:52 PM
I used only few Ubuntu (http://www.thefantasiesattic.net/attic/index.php?topic=17559.0) last year, but it wasn't to keep it like system, more to save what I need to take on crazy computer.

So I'll keep an eye on that topic, because all Linux stuff are unknow to me.
Title: Re: Linux Newbie
Post by: thelufias on November 11, 2018, 03:35:38 PM
How to Geek has this article:  How to Install and Use the Linux Bash Shell on Windows 10 (https://www.howtogeek.com/249966/how-to-install-and-use-the-linux-bash-shell-on-windows-10/)
Title: Re: Linux Newbie
Post by: thelufias on November 11, 2018, 03:42:07 PM
You can finds a lot of help at "HOW TO GEEK" (https://www.howtogeek.com/news/)  and it they don't have the answer...they'll show you how to get it....
Title: Re: Linux Newbie
Post by: rrkknight3 on November 11, 2018, 03:48:42 PM
A lot of people who tried Linux several years ago have an unpleasant memory of having to frequently use the command line to do usable work.  It has substantially improved, although I'm reminded of my friends' regular assertion that I would really like Woody Allen movies if I'd just watch "this" one.  It never worked.   :sure:   So, Linux might not be for you.

If you have questions about Linux, there are several of us here who have had some experience and would be glad to help.
Title: Re: Linux Newbie
Post by: rrkknight3 on November 11, 2018, 03:49:56 PM
There's a site, DistroWatch, that has descriptions of a very large number of Linux distributions.  Check it out:

https://distrowatch.com/ (https://distrowatch.com/)
Title: Re: Linux Newbie
Post by: rrkknight3 on November 11, 2018, 03:54:52 PM
One of the unusual features of Linux is that you have a choice of desktops.  Further, you can switch between them.

Most of the major Llinux distributions have, at least, Gnome, LXDE, Xfce, Cinnamon, MATE and KDE.  Some look like your phone and some look like Windows.
Title: Re: Linux Newbie
Post by: McGrandpa on November 12, 2018, 07:40:05 AM
I hate Woody Allen movies.  Especially if he is IN them.   And absolutely if they are about him.

Any actor or actress puts themselves on my No Watch Anymore list by declaring they WANT to be in a Woody Allen film.   

So I got an idea where you're coming from, Sir Knight.
Title: Re: Linux Newbie
Post by: McGrandpa on November 12, 2018, 07:49:49 AM
Uh  my phones look like Windows.   So if a Linux distro can look like windows, cool.   I recall Gnome and KDE and that's about it.  Nice thing now seems that  Windows 7 doesn't have a conniption fit if something "Linux" shows up on a USB port or in the optical drive.   
One very weird thing is that I have had NAT storage that give me a Windows CE interface.  But it's run from a Linux kernel.  And the drives format was Linux, not NTFS.  I also have some USB drives that the current TV provider formatted automatically as soon as they were plugged into the receivers USB port(s).  No warning, just blinkety blinkety lights and then a message onscreen said "DONE!  format complete, you may now store recorded shows to the new drive."  Mighty nice of them huh?   That format is Linux too.  Now, get this, I can use Linux to copy those files from the Linux drive to any of my NTFS drives in non-Linux format.  Linux seems to universally read all Windows formats no problem.   But Windows?  HAH!  You're kidding right!
Title: Re: Linux Newbie
Post by: McGrandpa on November 12, 2018, 08:02:20 AM
Another thing I remember about Linux is that it was very difficult to get hardware working in it.   If the distro don't pick it up when its installed, I never got to see any of mine installed.   And then my software never worked in it.   Run WINE?  Hell I can't get my printer, scanners, BD drive to work.  Why bother?
M$ taking control of my entire set of windows devices via "Implied Permissions granted them by my use of W10 Home" is why it's time to bother.  Again.
W10 home is factory installed on my little RCA Cambio 2n1 Tablet only.   M$ also "upgraded" my favorite smartphone (FREE! poking in the *ss!) from Win Phone 8.1 (denim) to W10 one night.   It only took 4 hours of waiting for the damn thing to 'finish updating Windows!' for me to see positively that is what was done.   I didn't ask for nor do I want it.   It also refuses to revert to 8.1.
I want Win 7 Pro 64 bits on every system I own.   M$ is preventing that.


Please excuse this post, but I am very displeased with M$ lately.   And since I am hearing some positive things about various versions of Linux, I want to try it again.  Especially on that 2n1 Tablet.
Title: Re: Linux Newbie
Post by: McGrandpa on November 12, 2018, 09:40:32 AM
So is there some install of Linux that can run from the CD/DVD while IN Windows?
Title: Re: Linux Newbie
Post by: rrkknight3 on November 12, 2018, 10:49:02 AM
I'm at work, McG, and so will not be able to respond much until tonight. 

So is there some install of Linux that can run from the CD/DVD while IN Windows?
Not exactly.  You can run from a Live DVD which, unless you tell it to do so, will leave your hard disk (and Windows) alone.
Title: Re: Linux Newbie
Post by: McGrandpa on November 12, 2018, 02:21:24 PM
Ok thanks for that Sir Knight.  I do have a bootable DVD with a Linux that runs entirely from that disk.  I have used it a couple times to get files off those NAT drives I mentioned before.  Now I have an external I need to check cause I think it is a Linux system.    M$ really has no idea what a mess they've made of their own bed by being so snobby.  I hope to live long enough to see them pay for it.
IF I can get Linux to do the stuff I want to do I'd just switch to it.   But, I bet it won't run most of the stuff I want to do.  So, it will end up being just a toy, a learning thing.
Title: Re: Linux Newbie
Post by: heddheld on November 17, 2018, 11:10:32 AM

think most of the new disros have a bootable version
some even boot of usb if u have a comp that can ! alas mine wont boot from usb


most windows proggys wont work well on Linux but some work with wine or if ur comp has plenty of ram u could try a sandbox to run a windows box but is a lot of messing about
is easy for me only windoze proggy I use is poser and that very rarely these days so migrating is not a major problem


but yes Linux requires a lot of command line stuff, for all the moans about windows it does try really hard to please EVERYONE not just the geeks


like u I wish I could go back to win 7 but it seems we cant
and I am finding so much now is "touchscreen" orientated!! drives me mad when mouse not work right cos its lookin for a finger swipe
just a simple copy an paste get to end of line all nice an highlighted let go mouse button its lost selection grrrrrrrrrrrr
or wont get all selection starts fine then u only get 1/2 the line so annoying


have fun MacG an as an mind game Linux is great for u, keeps u ALIVE I 'd sooner lose my legs then my mind
Title: Re: Linux Newbie
Post by: McGrandpa on November 18, 2018, 02:54:49 AM
Oh man careful on that wishing stuff!   Anything can happen!  And I'm working on the new DVD stuff.   Like to boot from.  Got to be DVD, the ISO files are 1.8 gigs minimum.  Mmm!
Title: Re: Linux Newbie
Post by: McGrandpa on November 18, 2018, 02:56:16 AM
USB.  Like, a thumb drive?  I must have some old 4 gig USB thumbs around here someplace to experiment with!
Title: Re: Linux Newbie
Post by: parkdalegardener on November 18, 2018, 05:29:57 AM
McG the link I provided you originally was to live versions of Linux that can be run from DVD, USB, CD and so on. Reiterating my previous comment, try them all out till you find one you like. No changes to your Windoze system and you can chuck it if you don't like it.

Take one of those spare hard drives you were saying you have and put it into your Windoze box. When you find a flavour you like install to that extra drive and dual boot your system between Win and whatever.
Title: Re: Linux Newbie
Post by: MilosGulan on November 18, 2018, 11:26:13 PM
I used to have Ubuntu 10 beside Windows before two years, but decided that I need one laptop only for it but still din't get one.

I remember that I installed Gnome shell and it worked so good and it was really nice to work with it. I am missing it a lot but started to work with android tablets and phones as cheaper variant.

Here is something about it, I remember that I could minimize my icons and do all sort of nice things https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/04/ubuntu-gnome
Title: Re: Linux Newbie
Post by: McGrandpa on November 19, 2018, 03:45:40 AM
McG the link I provided you originally was to live versions of Linux that can be run from DVD, USB, CD and so on. Reiterating my previous comment, try them all out till you find one you like. No changes to your Windoze system and you can chuck it if you don't like it.

Take one of those spare hard drives you were saying you have and put it into your Windoze box. When you find a flavour you like install to that extra drive and dual boot your system between Win and whatever.
Those links are where I got both versions of the Linux I downloaded .iso files for.   Mint v. 19 Cinnamon and Ubuntu v. 18.04.1  At 1.8 gigs and 1.9 gigs respectively.   These are .iso's to burn to bootable DVD's that my motherboards BIOS will respect.   This being an older Gigabyte GA EP45 DS3L (rev. 1.0) socket LG775 mobo, the thing offers BRAND NEW features usable then, abandoned in current issues.   Will be creating using NERO Burning ROM 9 on good ol DVD-R's.   Heh!   I plan to see this up and going during this, Thanksgiving Week!   It's a one man, two cat PARTY!   :yippee: :winks:

Whoa that was interesting.   SPARE hd's?  You'd be talking about the aged spotty spinners I have replaced.  Being as there are no spinner drives I have left I deem usable.  Fit for the bin.   Except for a pair of 80 gig IDE drives.  Might use those to resurrect an old A6 64 bit system, if if if if.   

Too many of those two letter words there to suit the foreseeable future.
 
So   One of the LIVE! builds it is!   IT's decided.    :yippee:
Title: Re: Linux Newbie
Post by: rrkknight3 on November 19, 2018, 04:49:46 AM
Some systems (BIOS's, motherboards) can boot from USB disk drives.  Those can usually be made to think they're booting from a USB drive with a USB stick / thumb drive.  This will allow you to test the various versions without creating a pile of coasters, but is harrier (like  :wolvie: harrier) than just burning a DVD if you haven't done it.
Title: Re: Linux Newbie
Post by: McGrandpa on November 19, 2018, 05:19:03 AM
The last version of linux I created a bootable disk for was in 2012.     And I'd noticed that it was better at picking up my hardware than earlier versions.   So, my venerable old war horse and all its accouterments should be recognized handily by these new distros.  That is my thinking going in now, 6 years later on 11 year old hardware mixed with newer stuff like the 3 SSD's. 
I'll finish this new render and go for Nero 9. 
Title: Re: Linux Newbie
Post by: McGrandpa on November 19, 2018, 06:48:09 AM
Oh, I remember now why I bought this particular motherboard.   Durability, it has all solid caps, dual BIOS, redundant power regulators on all lines, 6 SATA 3 ports and 12 USB2 ports.  The day I bought it, it was state of the art.   We all know how that goes though!  Heh!  It was a good investment I think. 
It was Woohoo twice as fast and powerful as its predecessor, the AMD A64 X2 4800+ with 4 gigs DDR.  So maybe I shouldn't bother resurrecting that one.  I mean, sure I paid $1015 for the CPU when I got it, and was on a waiting list for it to be released in the first place.   Then, a pair of EVGA nvidia 7800GTX PCIe x16 vid cards and whoosh, I'm rendering in Poser 6 and DS (beta) 0.1.8nnn and 64 bits (BETA!) XP Pro 64 OEM.  The only flavor it even came in. 
Running THAT machine is when I needed Linux to have a look at various things of hardware that came my way back then.   Bloody Windows.   PDG, Sir Knight, there is no need to tell you guys that M$ really pickled things up under the hood.  But, I recall that to even enable certain hardware and software they didn't like required cheating.  ergo-the Linux boot, read, set specific bits to this and that and WHAT 'warranty' ???   Oh well.  It worked.
Linux may be needed to kill M$ access and control to my W10 system.   And if I end up killing that tiny tablet, well I've borked more expensive things with one simple touch of a hot soldering iron. Soooo.  Can't hurt the $96.00 tablet too bad methinks...
(still rendering a Star Carrier scene with Pocket Star and a Genesis 2 Female Pilot, gonna be a while yet!)
Title: Re: Linux Newbie
Post by: McGrandpa on November 19, 2018, 08:35:28 AM
Is there a definitive answer to this question:   Does Poser work in Linux?   WiNE?
Title: Re: Linux Newbie
Post by: parkdalegardener on November 20, 2018, 07:28:21 AM
Used to up to and including PP2012. Haven't tried since then. I no longer run a Linux box exclusively.
Title: Re: Linux Newbie
Post by: heddheld on November 20, 2018, 09:56:26 AM

oh RR u invented a new word I lurve it


is several programs for making a usb stick (thumbdrive / woteva) as a bootable drive I used one called rufus {google find}but then I found out neither of my comps will boot from usb, maybe a bios update would fix I not looked


MacG some parts of poser work as far as I know , but some parts DONT but thats a changeable thing as diff peeps dig in an fix stuff
as PDG I not messed for a while but I think all dynamics was not working, was an issue for me maybe not u ?
I've never tried running windows in a sandbox in Linux
if that's a workable solution and I try before u I will yell out
Title: Re: Linux Newbie
Post by: heddheld on November 20, 2018, 10:19:21 AM

so my plane for windows on one drive and Linux on other
{this mobo lets me pick boot drive on boot WITH a timer !! wow when I only had windoze was set to 1 sec but now on its max of 9 sec}


ok I disconnected all drives then put a spare spinner in to load Linux on
getting kubuntu was a PITA bad night to d/l timer was bouncing from mins to hours grrrrrrrrrrrrr
[isp is working on lines ]
but next morn had iso burn to disk load
looking good then opps
page for use this hard drive (or part of it ) mouse not working
grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr no matter what I click! click not work
blame bad download (maybe bad dvd)
get rufus burn(?) to usb
same problem


so think I go get ubuntu instead
d/l sweet ………...9 mins no hiccups
burn to disk
get to same place on install...…..pick drive (or part of) all locks up
or did it
 I try arrow keys an can move about in menu
tab and enter work too
so now I have ubuntu up and working
have lots of STUFF …….firefox (not my fav browser) but it works !! find chrome lol
have text readers and writers an music stuff wow !!!!!!!!! wheres the bill WOT no bill  luv u rofl
so I grab chrome and blender
click
nothing
r/click opps even less
seems to have to work a little to install stuff on Linux
yeah that old style command line as a BOSS (sorry acnt spil administrator)


have fun MacG and dont forget inkscape /kritta and my fav blender are all Linux  at heart



Title: Re: Linux Newbie
Post by: McGrandpa on November 20, 2018, 01:59:54 PM
I haven't tried to boot these ISO's, so they may or may not.   Boot to optical drive on SATA or the single IDE is ok, but USB2 was new when I got this mobo.  I THINK there is a way to boot USB Flash or spinner.  Gotta read up on that.

Sounds like you're having fun too Hedd!
Title: Re: Linux Newbie
Post by: McGrandpa on November 20, 2018, 02:02:03 PM
I am ok with dynamics not working.   So it's sort of a child process running a child process and maybe try to run a child process?   Nah it wouldn't render or go Materials Room if that was it.
Title: Re: Linux Newbie
Post by: rrkknight3 on November 20, 2018, 02:22:54 PM
Before I leave work, just wanted to post this screen capture from Fedora 29 running DAZ Studio 4.10, rendering an Iray scene:
Title: Re: Linux Newbie
Post by: McGrandpa on November 21, 2018, 01:58:29 AM
Very cool Sir Knight!

(my cats are in here pre-occupying me ;o)  )
Title: Re: Linux Newbie
Post by: rrkknight3 on November 21, 2018, 04:58:24 AM
It's only because DAZ Studio and the downloader are free.  I'll try to do a Poser install on one of the home Linux systems over Thanksgiving and show that, too.