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Title: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: DarkAngel on August 28, 2019, 02:01:43 PM
OK folks, it is a good thing that Poser will still be getting  pdated and upgraded and it will be made available for early birds but .... sadly this will be a "have to" thing. If you do not upgrade to the new Bondware version then Poser 10= may stop working for you.

Read this article and fill out your form to be an early adopter and hopefully this will be at a lesser cost than for the ones that will be buying in the future, after all it is just upgrading forms for it to be able to "look up" legit owners.

https://www.renderosity.com/how-to-become-a-poser-11-2-early-adopter-cms-21693

There you will read about the things that are being "fixed".
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: Aelin on August 28, 2019, 02:12:13 PM
My Poser 10 isn't working since a long time because even when I update Flash the program is just contuning to pretend I haven't Flash on the computer :shrug:
Fortunately I have Poser 11.

Now concerning Poser 11, that would be a bad thing if it's no more working for me.
I hope after the change of owner, then the update, the program will stop to continue to ask me regularly to connect on the web to be able to use it. That's really boring, and never happened to me with Poser 10.

I don't want to be of the September 4th wave, but will keep an eye on the next date. Thank you Mary!
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: DarkAngel on August 28, 2019, 02:18:30 PM
My Poser 10 isn't working since a long time because even when I update Flash the program is just contuning to pretend I haven't Flash on the computer :shrug:
Fortunately I have Poser 11.

Now concerning Poser 11, that would be a bad thing if it's no more working for me.
I hope after the change of owner, then the update, the program will stop to continue to ask me regularly to connect on the web to be able to use it. That's really boring, and never happened to me with Poser 10.

I don't want to be of the September 4th wave, but will keep an eye on the next date. Thank you Mary!

My P10 did the same thing and I finally had to not only install the updated flash for the rest of the comp but have the older one needed too...had to do that for Java too, fortunately not anymore.
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: sidherose on August 28, 2019, 02:22:00 PM
Thanks for the heads up, Mary.
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: Radkres on August 28, 2019, 02:28:14 PM
Poser the Gift that keeps on giving!  :o_go_on:
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: Aelin on August 28, 2019, 02:29:35 PM
My P10 did the same thing and I finally had to not only install the updated flash for the rest of the comp but have the older one needed too...had to do that for Java too, fortunately not anymore.
The older one? :lostme:
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: DarkAngel on August 28, 2019, 03:29:08 PM
The older one? :lostme:
https://helpx.adobe.com/flash-player/kb/archived-flash-player-versions.html
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: Aelin on August 28, 2019, 03:36:39 PM
Thank you for the list Mary! Do you remember what was the old one you needed between that list?
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: CardinalBiggles on August 28, 2019, 04:15:55 PM
Now I am wishing I hadn't bought Poser 11 if it is going to be dependent on me shelling out to update.  I don't like it as well as poser pro 14 anyway. I presume Poser Pro 14 will not be affected?
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: DarkAngel on August 28, 2019, 06:13:56 PM
Aelin, I am thinking flash 9

CB, I think they said 10+ and to me that would include  2014, I think that was like 10 Pro at that time.

I hate that those of us that have had it for ages and can supply our SN number should get the provided upgrade for free, after all, they purchased it as is, are making it better but the only changes are for licenses. Those of us with the ability to get the other items too should not be "punished" especially since the other items are not included with this upgrade.

      
Poser Pro 11 <-- included
Queue Manager <--not sure

The following not included:
Poser Fusion 11 Cinema 4D
Poser Fusion 11 LightWave
Poser Fusion 11 MAX
Poser Fusion 11 MAYA
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: Fafnir on August 28, 2019, 07:45:09 PM
rendo  poser  meh  just a new way to make  monies for them and make us  shell out for their benefit  not  good
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: Aelin on August 29, 2019, 07:07:13 AM
Thank you Mary! As soon as I'll be able, I'll go on the Poser comp and check that. I liked so much work with P10, even if I like also P11. Be able to keep it would allow me to check my packs on a version before P11 and the superfly.

Guys, (and I know Ray and Dreamer talked on that before in Coffee Shop) each time we had an update on a version of Poser we owned, we had the update for free. I saw nowhere Rendo saying it won't be free for owners of P11.
I'm fine with updates specially if we have something new in content.

Don't you believe if Rendo would make that update paying for owners of P11 it would be like shooting a bullet in their foot? They bought Poser, they have no reason to act badly - otherwise they know well they'll lose a large part of the Poser community. I'm sure they don't want that.

The fact is the update was talked since months on the Smith Micro forum, even before Poser was sold to Rendo. It was in boxes. Rendo is just making the last adjustments to do well the update.

So I'll wait quietly to see what will happen  :likeyou:
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: sidherose on August 29, 2019, 09:37:25 AM
I don't know what happened in the Coffee Shop except a lot of erroneous conclusions were jumped to and I'm not even sure how.
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: CardinalBiggles on August 29, 2019, 09:37:38 AM
as far as PoserPro 14 is concerned, I was able to use it having turned off the internet, so hoping that needing some online password isn't needed.
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: sidherose on August 29, 2019, 09:44:28 AM
rendo  poser  meh  just a new way to make  monies for them and make us  shell out for their benefit  not  good

May I reiterate, this is free just like any other SR on any other version of Poser. PP2014 had I think 7 SRs. They were all free. You don't pay for SR's (Service Releases).

What this is partially going to do, is like on your Splash Screen when you open up Poser and you're used to seeing it saying it's from Smith-Micro, it's going to say now it's from Bondware. Little things like that that 're-brand' the software to Bondware. Anywhere S-M was listed will now be Bondware. There are also bug fixes they've corrected in order to get other things to work right.
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: sidherose on August 29, 2019, 09:47:08 AM
as far as PoserPro 14 is concerned, I was able to use it having turned off the internet, so hoping that needing some online password isn't needed.

It would be checking your License Key on the Smith-Micro servers for PP2014, which probably no longer exist as they were.

Hopefully your solution will work but we just have to try it and see hon.
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: CardinalBiggles on August 29, 2019, 10:03:12 AM
I will get the service update if I have to but to be honest, I don't like Poser 11 as much as PP2014.  I bought it and found it disappointing - it's less intuitive to use and I am definitely unimpressed by superfly
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: Aelin on August 29, 2019, 10:13:24 AM
Superfly results, like Iray in DS4, depend for a part of material we own I guess. If you haven't a machine able to work with it, you'll have problems - like "noise" on pictures.
And I never used it myself because I can't, but I suppose Superfly depends also from skills for lights we have.

Waiting, I saw on Poser site another article where people like Bagginsbill help with advices for the update.

*****
EDIT:
https://www.posersoftware.com/article/416/an-update-about-the-poser-transition
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: Aelin on August 29, 2019, 10:19:06 AM
Also, another article from the middle of the month
https://www.posersoftware.com/article/421/3-things-to-know-about-posers-development

Specially that sentence can help everyone to see better the things
After purchasing a new version or upgrading your old Poser, you will receive a serial number for your software and instructions for downloading the installer.

For me clearly no money is asked for people who own already Poser.
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: CardinalBiggles on August 29, 2019, 10:19:30 AM
Yes, I did find out that lighting makes a lot of difference, I have a secondhand gaming machine with a good NvIDIA graphics card and 16 gb ram for it, and it goes like a bat out of hell but I wasn't impressed with the way it handled skin and it doesn't like SSS at all.  If it had made a real difference on armour and on vehicles, I might have been more impressed but  as it was, meh. 
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: Aelin on August 29, 2019, 10:21:54 AM
Did your textures prepared for Superfly renders? I'm thinking I remember the superfly needs specific settings too. What they are, I have no clue :tearlaugh:
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: CardinalBiggles on August 29, 2019, 10:26:27 AM
Now this could be it; I did write down some settings which were on a forum and tried running with them which meant it rendered as better than a mess.  I expect I will try again but  I went back to PP14 on my old 4gb machine and it was such a relief  to get things coming out as I expected them to come out ... it's probably inertia and laziness on my part ...
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: sidherose on August 29, 2019, 11:23:47 AM
Did your textures prepared for Superfly renders? I'm thinking I remember the superfly needs specific settings too. What they are, I have no clue :tearlaugh:

Yes, it does need it's own special settings and apparently materials. Remember Anima Gemini's Superfly cloth (in the Market) Aelin? I know those won't work in PP2014. I tried. Lol. I still need to get the ideal way to get that set up from a friend. Then maybe I'll understand more about it. Or not - LOL.
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: DarkAngel on August 29, 2019, 11:29:33 AM
Yup if I recall Superfly takes a "heavy" machine, ram and patience for trial and error....I don't have any of those so I stay with my firefly, on my early 2008 Mac Pro with 4gb of ram and nvidia card that works well, I can use SSS skin but sometimes those take forever to render...bringing me back to the patience part >.< :shiv2:
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: DarkAngel on August 29, 2019, 11:31:56 AM
on another note....when you guys that have filled form did it....did you use the email from content paradise or RO or your main one. I used my normal email and not the one from RO and still have not heard back from them, did yours take long to get back to you? :sure:
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: MilosGulan on August 29, 2019, 11:34:14 AM
I am thinking to get Poser. If it happens it would be great, but for now it seems it will not :ifonly: . Summoners products are really cool and I need it for them, but...  :sure:
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: CardinalBiggles on August 29, 2019, 11:38:31 AM
you know it's a heavy render when it takes 16gb 4 1/2 hours to render ... I am used to that on the 4gb machine with sss!
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: Aelin on August 29, 2019, 01:31:32 PM
Yes, it does need it's own special settings and apparently materials. Remember Anima Gemini's Superfly cloth (in the Market) Aelin? I know those won't work in PP2014. I tried. Lol. I still need to get the ideal way to get that set up from a friend. Then maybe I'll understand more about it. Or not - LOL.
Yes you're right for Anima Gemini. I tried also in P11 for a promo render, but not with Superfly. Of course, it didn't work :shrug:

I am thinking to get Poser. If it happens it would be great, but for now it seems it will not :ifonly: . Summoners products are really cool and I need it for them, but...  :sure:
That's because of weight mapped part for figures.
Sometimes I can put his figures working on DS4 (even DS3) but it's with a lot of time to find the good little move they can do inside their non usual program. Otherwise, the figures tear themselves.
Normally all which isn't cr2 can be loaded in Daz Studio.
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: thelufias on August 29, 2019, 01:47:40 PM
As for Poser....this was totally unforeseen by them I think.  But it will kill them if they tell folks that they will charge for the update.  I've got Poser Pro 11 so I'm thinking I'll have to get the update.....I think I'll get the early update....just because.
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: MilosGulan on August 29, 2019, 02:11:22 PM
 :viking: Yes  :o_go_on: they are really worth playing with ... but I will have to clear the DAZ store first (or most of it  :likeyou: )... If I could collect all MECCG cards (10000, and also in e form too) (https://www.google.com/search?q=meccg&client=firefox-b-d&channel=trow&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiE-cik46jkAhUFxIsKHZddCE8Q_AUIESgB&biw=1525&bih=730)... 

But this seems like much harder task  :o_go_on: but  :ifonly: I am not giving up
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: McGrandpa on August 31, 2019, 03:35:26 AM
I use both PP 2014 and PP 11.1.   
PP 11.1 coughs up a few issues that PP 2014 does not, so I run 2014 most of the time, and 11 for LaFemme.

I am pretty sure TheLufias is spot on,  Rendo would be committing suicide if they start charging for updates.   Nice thing:   Jenn Blake made it pretty clear that current owners of PP 11 will not be paying for the updates.   I am sure we can all see being charged for a full version UPGRADE, but not the in-version updates.   So, at the worst, this 'must have' changeover update is free to current owners of PP 11.

Here is something nobody is mentioning.   IF you have PP 11 runnable right now, and disconnect that machine from all networking, it will run regardless of the changeover update.   But if you connect to the internet, and Poser 11 happens to be running, well you're probably gonna be stuck with having to update it then.   Just saying.

Jenn Blake also said we can expect an online store INSIDE Poser 11 plus a lite version of LaFemme to come with this new update.   If Poser begins to require being online while it runs, well it isn't going to be run that much.  I doubt it's likely to be made a requirement for Poser to RUN.  But to access the 'store' feature, it obviously will.   Not sure I like the thought of paying for things through Poser though.  We'll have to wait and see about that bit. 


Also, I spoke to something that a lot of people I know from around the community really want to see pretty bad.   See, lots of people like Poser, the interface, feel its way easier to use than that other thing, and comes WITH stuff built in the other thing makes you pay for.  BUT, Poser does not handle Genesis+ Figures and DS only assets *natively*.   Well, that is what lots of people want.   So I spoke to that issue in the comments there in the "Three Things You Need To Know About Poser" article because I also would love to see that in Poser.    It seems the entire "Comments" part has vanished from that article now.  At least for me it did.


To end;  The BIG THING at the moment seems to be some people thinking Rendo will be charging for the update coming Sept 16.  Nope.  Not gonna happen.  They will not charge existing PP 11 owners for the update.

I also saw a User concerned about Rendo possibly using a subscription model.  Jenn said Nope, not happening.    So, all is cool in the realm thus far.  :)
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: thelufias on August 31, 2019, 01:47:04 PM
I'll have to wait on the "Early Update"   It doesn't come out till the 4th of Sept and I'll be preoccupied LOLOL.....I'm in no hurry anyway.....
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: McGrandpa on September 01, 2019, 10:57:00 AM
Dan,  at our age and condition, I think it does us well to just relax and take it easy on our way through the "Stuff" we have to endure occasionally.   Life is better that way!

I signed up for the 'early adopter' bit.   I know how  to scrub it and reinstall earlier versions if need be.   Even if 11 does stop working because of some kink, I still have PP 2014 running!   :D
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: OFW on September 04, 2019, 06:11:42 PM
Aelin, I am thinking flash 9

CB, I think they said 10+ and to me that would include  2014, I think that was like 10 Pro at that time.

I hate that those of us that have had it for ages and can supply our SN number should get the provided upgrade for free, after all, they purchased it as is, are making it better but the only changes are for licenses. Those of us with the ability to get the other items too should not be "punished" especially since the other items are not included with this upgrade.

      
Poser Pro 11 <-- included
Queue Manager <--not sure

The following not included:
Poser Fusion 11 Cinema 4D
Poser Fusion 11 LightWave
Poser Fusion 11 MAX
Poser Fusion 11 MAYA


They sent the first roll out today, already having issues because not all of the upgrade codes came over from SM so they are furiously working on roll out 2, hopefully before the night is out.  I had just finished downloading when I got the email so I'll wait for the next roll before I install...I upgraded right before I dropped out of sight for school..so I'm in the upgrade code loop.
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: Jherrith on September 04, 2019, 06:19:25 PM
I am going to wait till tomorrow before I try anything
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: Fafnir on September 04, 2019, 08:03:02 PM
most like i will re download the files again
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: Glitterati3D on September 05, 2019, 12:02:05 PM
Hi folks!  Just a lowly beta tester of Renderosity's Poser update, but I wanted to drop in and clarify a few things.
First, this update is just like any old Service Release - free, and just some program changes, not a huge jump in the software.
It just happens that this is a big, huge, lots of changes SR.  But they are all necessary to complete the switchover from SM to Bondware/Renderosity.
So far, everything looks great and we're just waiting for feedback from the early adopters to make certain we've got everything ready for the big switchover.
Holler if you have any questions.  I'll be sure to check in.
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: sidherose on September 05, 2019, 12:07:04 PM
The Early Adopters are meant to help Beta test and check for problems. It's not going to be ready (presumably) or finalized until September 16th, when it will be officially released (maybe).

If you do not want to be a Beta tester and you do not wish to keep re-downloading the updates each day, then wait until the 16th to download it - or whenever they say it's ready.

See Glitterati3D's post above. She is Beta testing and they're finding little issues that need to be fixed to update from S-M to Bondware. Everything that says "Smith-Micro" has to be changed to "Bondware".
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: McGrandpa on September 08, 2019, 08:22:17 AM
YUP!  What Ray said.   New build every night by 10 pm!  :D

Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: Jherrith on September 08, 2019, 09:59:51 AM
Well installed it last night on the main system that I use to talk with you lot and the removal of the original and the subsequent update went smoothly with no hiccups.

Have not yet ran it on Stormbringer but will probably wait until the new version is released and vetted on this machine before I do so but as mentioned it got set up on this one with nary a problem. Ran a random render of the Mil Dragon and all looks fine
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: sidherose on September 08, 2019, 10:28:52 AM
Hi folks!  Just a lowly beta tester of Renderosity's Poser update, but I wanted to drop in and clarify a few things.
First, this update is just like any old Service Release - free, and just some program changes, not a huge jump in the software.
It just happens that this is a big, huge, lots of changes SR.  But they are all necessary to complete the switchover from SM to Bondware/Renderosity.
So far, everything looks great and we're just waiting for feedback from the early adopters to make certain we've got everything ready for the big switchover.
Holler if you have any questions.  I'll be sure to check in.


Just curious what sorts of things are getting updated every night? The S-M to Bondware stuff?
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: sidherose on September 08, 2019, 10:30:52 AM
YUP!  What Ray said.   New build every night by 10 pm!  :D

It's what Jenn said in her write-up. I was just repeating it. Thank you.
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: Aelin on September 08, 2019, 01:43:25 PM
Well for my French brain all of this is only a mess - but I'm probably losing my capacities to understand because I'm reading a book in English these last times and that I need to understand :tearlaugh:
I'll simply wait til the "new" Poser is online for everyone; but I'll wait few days in more, to avoid a possible shut down of their servors. There will be a rush on!
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: sidherose on September 08, 2019, 01:51:20 PM
Well for my French brain all of this is only a mess - but I'm probably losing my capacities to understand because I'm reading a book in English these last times and that I need to understand :tearlaugh:
I'll simply wait til the "new" Poser is online for everyone; but I'll wait few days in more, to avoid a possible shut down of their servors. There will be a rush on!

This is true and I'm wondering how that's going to work out with servers getting overloaded. Guess we'll see, won't we Aelin.
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: Glitterati3D on September 09, 2019, 05:57:16 AM

Just curious what sorts of things are getting updated every night? The S-M to Bondware stuff?
A few of the things the SM Portugal team screwed up have been fixed (working like it use to work) without affecting the inner workings of Poser itself.  Those kinds of changes will come with Poser 12, not a Poser 11 SR.

The primary purpose of this release will be to switch from SM to Bondware and remove all references in the software and documentation to SM, and the licensing of the software.

Poser 11.2 will release new content with it which will be modern, P11 content, plus offer the old content to those who want it as a separate zip download.

Additionally, a new feature will be a free 21 day evaluation period of the software with render and scene saving turned off.

Below is the education version of La Femme.




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Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: Aelin on September 09, 2019, 06:01:52 AM
She seems a bit surprise to be before the camera :winks:
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: Glitterati3D on September 09, 2019, 06:06:06 AM
She seems a bit surprise to be before the camera :winks:
LOL, not quite prepared for the sneek peek!  But, no worries, like all Poser models she won't be camera shy for long.
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: sidherose on September 09, 2019, 09:13:22 AM
A few of the things the SM Portugal team screwed up have been fixed (working like it use to work) without affecting the inner workings of Poser itself.  Those kinds of changes will come with Poser 12, not a Poser 11 SR.

The primary purpose of this release will be to switch from SM to Bondware and remove all references in the software and documentation to SM, and the licensing of the software.

Poser 11.2 will release new content with it which will be modern, P11 content, plus offer the old content to those who want it as a separate zip download.

Additionally, a new feature will be a free 21 day evaluation period of the software with render and scene saving turned off.

Below is the education version of La Femme.


Thank you for your reply G3D.

I suspected it was the S-M to Bondware stuff mostly. And I'm wondering why it's not possible to use something like Notepad ++ to search on the text and find where it says "Smith-Micro" and change it (CNTRL H) to "Bondware" in one operation instead of picking through things a little at a time each day. Perhaps I don't understand all that is involved there, but the Development team should be able to do that and catch most if not all of that stuff. Shouldn't they? 
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: mtdana on September 09, 2019, 02:54:17 PM

And I'm wondering why it's not possible to use something like Notepad ++



Love Notepad++, that and windowspager I use  them all the time!!!





Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: sidherose on September 09, 2019, 04:54:28 PM
Love Notepad++, that and windowspager I use  them all the time!!!

:thumb_up: Right you are, mtd! It can do a whole lot of 'donkey work' in a relatively short time.
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: Glitterati3D on September 09, 2019, 11:29:00 PM

Thank you for your reply G3D.

I suspected it was the S-M to Bondware stuff mostly. And I'm wondering why it's not possible to use something like Notepad ++ to search on the text and find where it says "Smith-Micro" and change it (CNTRL H) to "Bondware" in one operation instead of picking through things a little at a time each day. Perhaps I don't understand all that is involved there, but the Development team should be able to do that and catch most if not all of that stuff. Shouldn't they?
I would have thought so as well, but it's turning out to be much more effort than I expected.  SM references are well hidden in error messages as well as those we see every day.
As for the documentation, that's a different group than the programmers, and a whole nother can of worms.
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: sidherose on September 09, 2019, 11:34:17 PM
Goodness. Nothing's ever easy, is it? That would make it too.....easy!  You have my sympathies there, G3D :peek:
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: McGrandpa on September 14, 2019, 12:03:48 AM
Poser is no longer a little program, for sure.   Using the US English version, I had no problem at all with the Bondware version.   It seems to rather enjoy being in its new location. 
C:\Program Files\BondWare\Poser Pro 11    :yippee:

All the nightly build installers have behaved as desired.   And PP 11.2 seems to have no problem picking up and using all the scripts I use.   Have not tested ALL the scripts, but one of the easiest to befoul would be the DSON Importer for Poser.   And, as it's set up, going great so far!
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: sidherose on September 14, 2019, 02:12:43 AM
Poser is no longer a little program, for sure.   Using the US English version, I had no problem at all with the Bondware version.   It seems to rather enjoy being in its new location. 
C:\Program Files\BondWare\Poser Pro 11    :yippee:

All the nightly build installers have behaved as desired.   And PP 11.2 seems to have no problem picking up and using all the scripts I use.   Have not tested ALL the scripts, but one of the easiest to befoul would be the DSON Importer for Poser.   And, as it's set up, going great so far!

Glad it's working for you so far. I have to wait until the 16th, because I didn't get it until after June 1st. Did you install Wilddial's utility too? Yes, it probably does work due to the fact of La Femme and PE both having the extra facial morphs.
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: sidherose on September 14, 2019, 02:18:45 AM
Eh, I don't think it's been a 'little program' ever. The learning curve on it has always been fairly high for a program that isn't 3DS Max, Maya (which you have to go to school for), Z-Brush, or even Blender. It did start getting bigger at PP 2010.
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: Aelin on September 14, 2019, 06:30:17 AM
I don't call a little program a program able to help you to rig your own characters and clothes for example.
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: McGrandpa on September 14, 2019, 02:02:06 PM
You can create models, rig and even animate them in MilkShape3D.   You can even do minor renders in it.  But MilkShape IS a low poly modeler, and a very compact program.  Poser was never meant to do what even MilkShape does, as a mesh modeler.   
I saw Poser Pro Pak (Poser IV?), and didn't like it.   Then Poser 5 came out and I was still happily dawdling around with an old DS beta.   Poser WAS "small" back then.   Its popularity has soared since Poser 6 came out.  I suppose I meant something about the size of  its user base, rather than the size of the software itself.
Poser, in this sense, is a lot bigger now.
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: Aelin on September 14, 2019, 02:13:14 PM
Until your message, I even didn't know MilkShape3D :panic:  But it's probably useful if you need low poly figures for the backgrounds of huge scenes - like town scenes.

In fact, when I heard for Poser, it was indirectly by somebody in France making "posers", in fact png of characters. She said "posers", but they were made in Daz. I took Daz3 just before DS4 came out, but always kept an eye on Poser, being sorry to not have it. Lights in freebies were often for Poser and badly working in Daz; so many good textures were in mc5 or mc6 (and I didn't know I could change them for pz2 at the epoch)... and the dynamics! A lot of outfits were in dynamics and I couldn't use them with DS3 of course.
I fact, I had the feeling to be a step behind everyone in 3D community because I couldn't do all I wanted :tearlaugh:
DS4 made some good steps on creations inside like Poser. But it's still too greedy for the system of my computer, that's the problem. But it's another point everyone knows from me now :psycho:

Being back to Poser 11 and the update. I almost count days before the beginning of the update, even if I always want to wait several days before to take it.
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: OFW on September 14, 2019, 03:48:18 PM
Has anyone had any glitches in the dynamics with last nights release?  I was tinkering around with LeFemme and the stuff that comes in package...Could not get Tipole's outfit to work at all when I tried to set up an extreme pose (yes, I intentionally did an extreme pose, to test the system) ...polys kept breaking.  Then I tried OOT's LeChemise..and during the simulation, it ran beautifully...looked like it was going to be great, but when it finished I got this...Have I forgotten to do something or has something changed in the dynamic simulator?

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Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: sidherose on September 14, 2019, 09:24:45 PM
Has anyone had any glitches in the dynamics with last nights release?  I was tinkering around with LeFemme and the stuff that comes in package...Could not get Tipole's outfit to work at all when I tried to set up an extreme pose (yes, I intentionally did an extreme pose, to test the system) ...polys kept breaking.  Then I tried OOT's LeChemise..and during the simulation, it ran beautifully...looked like it was going to be great, but when it finished I got this...Have I forgotten to do something or has something changed in the dynamic simulator?

I don't know the answer regarding if something's changed in the dynamic simulator, except to say that evidently these additional figures were added that weren't there before.

And these are going to sound like stupid questions but I have to ask. You did pick La Femme as your target to morph to, yes? Are there instructions for the Cloth Room simulation settings and you used those? Without knowing exactly what you did, it would be hard for anyone to guess, OFW. It could be that something in the simulator isn't working right with the new figures (?). Did you try with Pauline or V4 and what happened there? We know V4 works in there, so you might want to test with her and see what happens? That's all I can suggest at this point.
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: Fafnir on September 14, 2019, 09:46:03 PM
release in 2 more days  going to be  great
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: FrahHawk on September 15, 2019, 05:36:43 PM
  :cwave:
Inside notification within Poser says the new release date is 09/19/19.  :o_go_on: :noway:

9/19/19
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: sidherose on September 15, 2019, 05:46:02 PM
Apparently, they're going to need a little more time. Thank you for letting us know Hawk!   :mwah:
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: OFW on September 15, 2019, 06:07:22 PM
I don't know the answer regarding if something's changed in the dynamic simulator, except to say that evidently these additional figures were added that weren't there before.

And these are going to sound like stupid questions but I have to ask. You did pick La Femme as your target to morph to, yes? Are there instructions for the Cloth Room simulation settings and you used those? Without knowing exactly what you did, it would be hard for anyone to guess, OFW. It could be that something in the simulator isn't working right with the new figures (?). Did you try with Pauline or V4 and what happened there? We know V4 works in there, so you might want to test with her and see what happens? That's all I can suggest at this point.

Ok, so to answer your questions, Madame, Yes I had Le Femme Picked as my morph target, or more specifically, I had the appropriate parts of the figure picked, because I could not find the hair in the tree and it kept getting caught up if I chose the entire Le Femme and ticked off ignore head, hand and feet, which is what I would normally do.  The hair is a "hair", not a prop or a figure, if that makes sense, but it should have shown on the head or as a separate piece.  I searched the tree several times trying to find it.

No, there were no specific instructions that I could find in regards to either "outfit" I tried to use (they both came as part of the download on the 13th), so I used the "out of the box" settings in both cases, as a starting point and this is what happened.

No, I didn't try other figures.  The point of this was to test, I just wanted to make sure I hadn't forgotten something since it has been a number of years since I ran a cloth simulation. 

So here is what I did...I set a simulation 1 with a drape of 20 frames and a simulation of 30 frames.  As directed by the square in the item, I applied my morphs to the figure before simulation.  I set my pose at frame 30.
I clothified the chemise and added the neck, chest, abdomen, shoulders, collars, hips, waist, mons, glutes, upper arms, and thighs. 
I left all other settings alone and started the simulation.  I watched it and all the way through, it draped well, it looked like it was going to beautifully drape her body..then as soon as the simulation finished, the chemised, popped out to look like it does.  Does that make any sense?

Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: sidherose on September 15, 2019, 08:37:59 PM
Ok, so to answer your questions, Madame, Yes I had Le Femme Picked as my morph target, or more specifically, I had the appropriate parts of the figure picked, because I could not find the hair in the tree and it kept getting caught up if I chose the entire Le Femme and ticked off ignore head, hand and feet, which is what I would normally do.  The hair is a "hair", not a prop or a figure, if that makes sense, but it should have shown on the head or as a separate piece.  I searched the tree several times trying to find it.

No, there were no specific instructions that I could find in regards to either "outfit" I tried to use (they both came as part of the download on the 13th), so I used the "out of the box" settings in both cases, as a starting point and this is what happened.

No, I didn't try other figures.  The point of this was to test, I just wanted to make sure I hadn't forgotten something since it has been a number of years since I ran a cloth simulation. 

So here is what I did...I set a simulation 1 with a drape of 20 frames and a simulation of 30 frames.  As directed by the square in the item, I applied my morphs to the figure before simulation.  I set my pose at frame 30.
I clothified the chemise and added the neck, chest, abdomen, shoulders, collars, hips, waist, mons, glutes, upper arms, and thighs. 
I left all other settings alone and started the simulation.  I watched it and all the way through, it draped well, it looked like it was going to beautifully drape her body..then as soon as the simulation finished, the chemised, popped out to look like it does.  Does that make any sense?

So, you're saying La Femme has rooted Poser hair? If not, then I'm not sure what you're talking about re: the hair there, hon. I used to play in the hair room with the P5 figures but my pc at the time wasn't hefty enough to do hair and Cloth Room. Never did get Cloth Room down until I found an instruction tutorial from Esha with one of her products. She made it easy to understand. I'm still in PP2014 right now, so I've not worked in that Cloth Room in P11. Was just looking for process stuff that might have been forgotten and had to ask.

You can't add the hair after the simulation finishes? As for your simulation itself, sounds like you did it right. You did the best you could and probably the same thing I'd do with what you've got to work with. I'm not sure about adding all those things as I've seldom done it. Did you try with just the Chemise selected? I s'pose you did first :shrug:  Gosh. Unless it's something to do with the new figures, I've no idea.  Sorry to not be any help here.
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: OFW on September 15, 2019, 08:55:12 PM
So, you're saying La Femme has rooted Poser hair? If not, then I'm not sure what you're talking about re: the hair there, hon. I used to play in the hair room with the P5 figures but my pc at the time wasn't hefty enough to do hair and Cloth Room. Never did get Cloth Room down until I found an instruction tutorial from Esha with one of her products. She made it easy to understand. I'm still in PP2014 right now, so I've not worked in that Cloth Room in P11. Was just looking for process stuff that might have been forgotten and had to ask.

You can't add the hair after the simulation finishes? As for your simulation itself, sounds like you did it right. You did the best you could and probably the same thing I'd do with what you've got to work with. I'm not sure about adding all those things as I've seldom done it. Did you try with just the Chemise selected? I s'pose you did first :shrug:  Gosh. Unless it's something to do with the new figures, I've no idea.  Sorry to not be any help here.

LOL That's ok :) Yeah, I originally learned how to use dynamics from Esha as well. Her tutorials were always easy to follow.  Don't know where she ended up.  I've seen some of the DNA crew at Rosity but only a few.  I reckon everyone else that is still selling is probably at Daz.

No, not rooted hair, as in the hair room, but hair as in the hair folder rather than the props folder or character folder, which should show up like a prop..I've never fiddled with the hair room and at this point don't think I want to jump into something I've never done. 

My dilemma came from the fact that the first outfit that I tried was one of Tipol's that is packaged in, and I was going to offer up some texture sets for it for Halloween..but it totally broke so I switched to another dynamic outfit to see if it behaved better, which it didn't.  Don't know if it is just Le Femme or if the dynamic simulator is off altogether.  I'll try a render this week with a V4 product and see if that works better.  I have a backup set of textures for one of our current freebies for V4, if all else fails.  I just need to package it, another thing I have to go back and remember how to do LOL

Thanks for giving it a shot. :kiss: Was hoping G3D would pop in and see the message and maybe comment, but oh well :shrug: 
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: sidherose on September 15, 2019, 09:14:54 PM
LOL That's ok :) Yeah, I originally learned how to use dynamics from Esha as well. Her tutorials were always easy to follow.  Don't know where she ended up.  I've seen some of the DNA crew at Rosity but only a few.  I reckon everyone else that is still selling is probably at Daz.

No, not rooted hair, as in the hair room, but hair as in the hair folder rather than the props folder or character folder, which should show up like a prop..I've never fiddled with the hair room and at this point don't think I want to jump into something I've never done. 

My dilemma came from the fact that the first outfit that I tried was one of Tipol's that is packaged in, and I was going to offer up some texture sets for it for Halloween..but it totally broke so I switched to another dynamic outfit to see if it behaved better, which it didn't.  Don't know if it is just Le Femme or if the dynamic simulator is off altogether.  I'll try a render this week with a V4 product and see if that works better.  I have a backup set of textures for one of our current freebies for V4, if all else fails.  I just need to package it, another thing I have to go back and remember how to do LOL

Thanks for giving it a shot. :kiss: Was hoping G3D would pop in and see the message and maybe comment, but oh well :shrug:

Oh...lol....Hair - that Hair. Gotcha. I always wait and put any 'hair' on last because that's your last pose and most hair will fall basically like it should in that last pose.

I think Esha is still at DAZ. She's awesome for tutorials. Would love to have the set of them one day. I did/do have them in my Wish List. I guess they're still there.

Well good luck with whichever avails itself to you to do. I thought G3D might come in too, but she's probably pretty busy if they're pushing the release out another three days.
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: Aelin on September 16, 2019, 07:04:17 AM
  :cwave:
Inside notification within Poser says the new release date is 09/19/19.  :o_go_on: :noway:

9/19/19
At least they keep people informed that they need a little more time, and you passed well the message  :likeyou: I prefer they take their time, in place of rushing to launch the 16th with a lot of mistakes.

Oh...lol....Hair - that Hair. Gotcha. I always wait and put any 'hair' on last because that's your last pose and most hair will fall basically like it should in that last pose.

I think Esha is still at DAZ. She's awesome for tutorials. Would love to have the set of them one day. I did/do have them in my Wish List. I guess they're still there.

Well good luck with whichever avails itself to you to do. I thought G3D might come in too, but she's probably pretty busy if they're pushing the release out another three days.
Yes Esha is always on Daz. For her products (Nostalgia Boy and Girl) I used her tuto; she ahs also her own site for 2 or 3 freebies, but no tuto if I'm correct.
But for the rest of dynamics, I follow the free tuto you made in 2014 or 2015 Ray.
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: McGrandpa on September 16, 2019, 12:45:17 PM
Esha is a hell of a good modeler too!     :D 
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: Aelin on September 16, 2019, 01:25:59 PM
Mary has just launched a new topic: Why update to 11.2 Poser ... Rosity info (http://www.thefantasiesattic.net/attic/index.php?topic=20890.0)
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: McGrandpa on September 22, 2019, 05:32:46 AM
Well, its done.    BondWare/Renderosity has Poser in hand now, the transition is complete I 'spect.  And it seems none the worse for the wear!

Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: McGrandpa on September 22, 2019, 05:33:44 AM
Does anyone know who Chickenlips actually was?   
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: sidherose on September 22, 2019, 10:25:27 AM
Does anyone know who Chickenlips actually was?

Do you know? If you don't, why is it in your sig? :tearlaugh:  ;perplexed:

It depends. Do chickens have lips? No. It means you white.

Or, it's an old 80s-90s band of 'house music' (dance clubs).

Or it's an artist who sculpts funny little statues.

It's probably a restaurant too. :shrug:

Pick one :(ROFLMAO:
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: sidherose on September 22, 2019, 10:27:46 AM
Well, its done.    BondWare/Renderosity has Poser in hand now, the transition is complete I 'spect.  And it seems none the worse for the wear!


That will remain questionable for the time being.
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: Jherrith on September 22, 2019, 12:25:34 PM
So far all is good on my side including the fact that apparently I had an upgrade file lying about that I had not installed, why because I am now running Poser 11 Pro

Talk about absent minded :thud:
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: Glitterati3D on September 22, 2019, 01:36:05 PM
Has anyone had any glitches in the dynamics with last nights release?  I was tinkering around with LeFemme and the stuff that comes in package...Could not get Tipole's outfit to work at all when I tried to set up an extreme pose (yes, I intentionally did an extreme pose, to test the system) ...polys kept breaking.  Then I tried OOT's LeChemise..and during the simulation, it ran beautifully...looked like it was going to be great, but when it finished I got this...Have I forgotten to do something or has something changed in the dynamic simulator?
Sorry, I didn't see this earlier.  The answer to your question is simple actually - before you run the simulation, save your file to the hard drive.  For some reason, since P11 was introduced, you have to save a cloth sim or Frame 30 ends up looking like Frame 1.
It's on the list for P12 but this SR was just not the place to look at what happened.

Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: sidherose on September 22, 2019, 01:50:08 PM
I've always saved my file after I get everything set up for the simulation - in PP 2014 and PP 2012 anyway. I think in Esha's tutorial she says to save it after set-up. Oh well I'll be okay then I guess. Lol.

Thank you for answering OFW's question G3D :thumb_up:
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: McGrandpa on September 22, 2019, 11:07:20 PM
The First 3 Rules of Computing:

1 Back It Up.

2 Back It Up.

3 Back It Up.

And even then it might not be enough!
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: McGrandpa on September 22, 2019, 11:15:00 PM
I finally got PP 11.2 to crash to desktop.   I'd been pushing on the running instance for two days, and got pretty confident.   I'd been really getting down on La Femme's batch of morphs I'd bought.   Particularly the fingers and toes.  Then I found the carpal and metatarsal joints, and got to messing with that.  All in Stoney's Streets Of Asia  and Streets Of Asia 2.    My little HU display said I had 36 megs of ram free.  Well, at least I was expecting it!   And with all that, it did plummet right to the desk.  Yeah the scene was lost, but the dots were all intact.   I did not expect my old system to hold up to all that without a crash.   So I am very pleasantly surprised at how long PP 11.2 held down the fort.   Anyway, there that is.  Had fun, learned stuff, played hard, great time.   Then off for some sleep.  :)
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: McGrandpa on September 22, 2019, 11:16:48 PM

That will remain questionable for the time being.

At least it seems nothing new got broken.  Heh!

And now, it says BondWare!
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: sidherose on September 22, 2019, 11:42:54 PM
At least it seems nothing new got broken.  Heh!

And now, it says BondWare!


What I said was from my point of view and my situation and remains to be seen...you see.  :sure:

It's complicated. 
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: McGrandpa on September 22, 2019, 11:57:38 PM
Hm.  Maybe it's actually simple.   Its your experience with it.   So yeah, we'll see.  :)

Everyone's mileage will vary! 
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: sidherose on September 23, 2019, 01:10:03 AM
Hm.  Maybe it's actually simple.   Its your experience with it.   So yeah, we'll see.  :)

Everyone's mileage will vary!

I guess you know my situation far better than I do then. Not sure how  ;perplexed:

Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: McGrandpa on September 25, 2019, 04:55:39 AM
Well you speak Mandarin!   :D
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: McGrandpa on September 25, 2019, 04:58:25 AM
Has anyone heard about NEW Poser files put up yesterday?  File date 09-24-2019 for La Femme content and Poser Premium content.
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: Aelin on September 25, 2019, 06:32:04 AM
Yes I saw that this morning, and said also in Coffee Shop :yes: Like I took most of files today only, I haven't the need to take them again

******
EDIT (message from COffee Shop)
Discussion going on at Renderosity on the updating of files.

https://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/?thread_id=2938086 (https://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/?thread_id=2938086)
I have to look what is what, logging on their site
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: sidherose on September 25, 2019, 09:51:18 AM
Well you speak Mandarin!   :D

We got it straightened out and all is well now.

Yes, it was a simple fix but I meant that explaining it was complicated. I had to really 'congeal' everything I'd done or not done yet into a concise pile of blah-blah, so she'd know, and it took awhile to write and get right. So, I guess I did alright and now all is right - at least in Poser world. This place out here, I'm not so sure. The real lunatic fringe is outside. It's ALL crazy but not in Poser world. Praise be - there's a place that's sane!!
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: McGrandpa on September 26, 2019, 12:00:50 PM
I have crashed PP 11.2.272 twice now.   But, I could see it coming as free system ram would be under 200 bytes.  Yes, bytes.  That low, even moving the mouse is taking time.   I know I need to watch that closer when I am loading up lots of props and Figures.   Overloading the system is an operator error, not a PP 11l.2 error.   So, really, it's been pretty great with the simpler stuff I usually do.   For my rig, a simple vignette scene and one figure with clothes and props is a pretty fast render.   Trying to tell a whole story in one scene is possible, but not very likely on my old box!  Ha!
SO FAR, I am still happy with the BondWare PP 11.2  :o)
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: Radkres on September 26, 2019, 12:17:19 PM
is it Cleaning up after you move to a new poser scene or is it leaving stuff in memory?
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: Aelin on September 26, 2019, 01:17:52 PM
I have crashed PP 11.2.272 twice now.   But, I could see it coming as free system ram would be under 200 bytes.  Yes, bytes.  That low, even moving the mouse is taking time.   I know I need to watch that closer when I am loading up lots of props and Figures.   Overloading the system is an operator error, not a PP 11l.2 error.   So, really, it's been pretty great with the simpler stuff I usually do.   For my rig, a simple vignette scene and one figure with clothes and props is a pretty fast render.   Trying to tell a whole story in one scene is possible, but not very likely on my old box!  Ha!
SO FAR, I am still happy with the BondWare PP 11.2  :o)
I think I read 11.2.286 on my version when I opened it quickly yesterday. Definitively, the number was higher than 272. But I didn't tried to load something until now.
Yet, I don't know if it's the fact than LaFemme replaces Andy now, or if it's something else, but my runtime tab takes more time to appear in the program when Poser is launched. Will have to see if that do it again or not next time I open it.
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: Fafnir on September 26, 2019, 01:51:55 PM
yes it takes my runtime tab longer to appear  too Aelin  and I am running .286  as well
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: Glitterati3D on September 26, 2019, 02:21:32 PM
yes it takes my runtime tab longer to appear  too Aelin  and I am running .286  as well
That could simply be the indexing system trying to index all those new files you added to runtimes with all the freebie goodies.
It only needs to index once when you install new stuff, so if you let it run completely, future library loads should be much faster with no indexing.
Oh, and don't download the new Poser installation files after those released on the 19th.  What you see up there are beta files and not guaranteed to be error free.
You'll get a notice if stable updated files should be installed.
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: OFW on September 28, 2019, 12:08:20 PM
Sorry, I didn't see this earlier.  The answer to your question is simple actually - before you run the simulation, save your file to the hard drive.  For some reason, since P11 was introduced, you have to save a cloth sim or Frame 30 ends up looking like Frame 1.
It's on the list for P12 but this SR was just not the place to look at what happened.



That's ok, I've been away for a long time and I don't have most of my old files anymore, so I'm trying to do everything from an old memory that is faulty lol...Sad that so many resources have been lost with the closing of stores...but it is what it is...Thanks for answering.  I don't remember having to do that, but then I had just bought P11 when all my systems when kaput...and when i tried to install on my "new" computer from school, it wasn't powerful enough to run..Ran through my 3 licenses and never got to use it ..oh well..that's a whole other story.
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: pimanjc@aol.com on September 28, 2019, 02:34:48 PM
In what universe is it fair that Bondware hold my PAID FOR version of Poser Pro11 hostage for an unwanted/unneeded update and their $99 payment.  I was perfectly happy with what I had.  Maybe I need to just archive all my old on-computer files and give up 3-D altogether.  Sadly, the inability to import Poser files into Vue will void my use of that program as well.  At least when Vue changed its marketing it still allowed my older version to continue working.  From what I have read and understand, I am NOT a happy camper!
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: McGrandpa on September 28, 2019, 02:43:06 PM
In what universe is it fair that Bondware hold my PAID FOR version of Poser Pro11 hostage for an unwanted/unneeded update and their $99 payment.  I was perfectly happy with what I had.  Maybe I need to just archive all my old on-computer files and give up 3-D altogether.  Sadly, the inability to import Poser files into Vue will void my use of that program as well.  At least when Vue changed its marketing it still allowed my older version to continue working.  From what I have read and understand, I am NOT a happy camper!

If you already own PP 11, then just use your original purchase Key when the BondWare version wants a key.   You do not pay an additional $99.00.   I sure didn't!    The update simply covers transfer of ownership from Smith-Micro to BondWare. 
They haven't charged anyone if they already own Poser 11 or Poser Pro 11.
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: OFW on September 28, 2019, 02:43:54 PM
In what universe is it fair that Bondware hold my PAID FOR version of Poser Pro11 hostage for an unwanted/unneeded update and their $99 payment.  I was perfectly happy with what I had.  Maybe I need to just archive all my old on-computer files and give up 3-D altogether.  Sadly, the inability to import Poser files into Vue will void my use of that program as well.  At least when Vue changed its marketing it still allowed my older version to continue working.  From what I have read and understand, I am NOT a happy camper!
Trust when I say I completely understand!  When I came back, Bondware had just taken over Poser.  I couldn't download P11.  My S/N for both 10 and 11 were not "recognized".  I ended up having to shell out $199 for a "new" version.  I sent in a message and was told that my original license for 11 had been installed 3 times (see above) so it was no longer valid.  No reason why my P10 and PP2014 licenses were not recognized.  Then all communication shut down.  I HATE DAZ and what they did, but I feel like R'osity is doing the same exact thing, only with the software instead of the characters :(
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: McGrandpa on September 28, 2019, 02:47:32 PM
is it Cleaning up after you move to a new poser scene or is it leaving stuff in memory?

When I delete stuff, it frees ram.  When I CTRL-N (New Scene) it clears its memory space.   Reminds me, I need to see if they fixed that blasted texture list continuing to accumulate data until Poser is restarted from the desktop.
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: Aelin on September 28, 2019, 02:50:49 PM
In what universe is it fair that Bondware hold my PAID FOR version of Poser Pro11 hostage for an unwanted/unneeded update and their $99 payment.  I was perfectly happy with what I had.  Maybe I need to just archive all my old on-computer files and give up 3-D altogether.  Sadly, the inability to import Poser files into Vue will void my use of that program as well.  At least when Vue changed its marketing it still allowed my older version to continue working.  From what I have read and understand, I am NOT a happy camper!
Like McG said, you haven't to pay for the update when you have Poser 11.
It's when you have older version of Poser and want to update that you have to pay. For example, I won't update my Poser 10, but maybe other people will do. Those who have old versions and don't want to update won't update.

With the update by Bondware, it doesn't matter that you have Poser 11 or Poser 11 Pro, because to do simple for them, everyone will have Poser 11 Pro.
I made the update, they didn't asked me to pay - and they haven't my credit card number :winks: Yes, it was the fear of some of us they ask we pay for the update. But for marketing, it would be killing the product. They bought Poser to do it working for many years and bringing money for them.

Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: Aelin on September 28, 2019, 02:51:44 PM
When I delete stuff, it frees ram.  When I CTRL-N (New Scene) it clears its memory space.   Reminds me, I need to see if they fixed that blasted texture list continuing to accumulate data until Poser is restarted from the desktop.
The ones in AppData? I clear manually most of time.
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: Radkres on September 28, 2019, 02:59:47 PM
Was an old Problem with the undo function it would basically keep lots of stuff in memory and wait till you hit max undo till it started to clear memory the other problem was texture files would hang in memory forever till you closed the program.
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: McGrandpa on September 28, 2019, 03:02:15 PM
That could simply be the indexing system trying to index all those new files you added to runtimes with all the freebie goodies.
It only needs to index once when you install new stuff, so if you let it run completely, future library loads should be much faster with no indexing.
Oh, and don't download the new Poser installation files after those released on the 19th.  What you see up there are beta files and not guaranteed to be error free.
You'll get a notice if stable updated files should be installed.

Ok, so we should still be using 11.2.272 right?
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: sidherose on September 28, 2019, 03:08:29 PM
It's now up to 11.2.286 last I looked and frankly I don't know how it got there, but that's the new version #
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: Aelin on September 28, 2019, 03:09:25 PM
Ok, so we should still be using 11.2.272 right?
When I took P11 the other day, it was September 25. And the version I obtained (not the Beta version) was Poser 11.2.286. One way or another, Poser was updated since you took it. Did you suscribe to have Poser before the official release date? If you, you have a Beta version.
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: DarkAngel on September 28, 2019, 03:11:09 PM
When I delete stuff, it frees ram.  When I CTRL-N (New Scene) it clears its memory space.   Reminds me, I need to see if they fixed that blasted texture list continuing to accumulate data until Poser is restarted from the desktop.

In PC it is your user folder/app data/roaming/poser folder You get rid of those files to free up space, I did it every night cause although Poser should do it, sometimes it won't

On Mac it is in the hidden library folder:

 Make the Library Visible Permanently

Apple hides the Library folder by setting a file system flag associated with the folder. Any folder on your Mac can have its visibility flag turned on or off; Apple just chose to set the Library folder's visibility flag to the off state. To reset the visibility flag, do the following:

    Launch Terminal, located in /Applications/Utilities.
    Terminal icon in macOX Utilities folder

    Enter the following command at the Terminal prompt:

    chflags nohidden ~/Library

    Click return.

    Once the command is executed, you can quit Terminal. The Library folder will now be visible in the Finder.

    Should you ever wish to set the Library folder back to its default hidden state in OS X or macOS, simply launch Terminal and issue the following Terminal command:

    chflags hidden ~/Library

    Click return.


Then you can go to Users/your folder name/Library/Application Support/Poser Pro 11/Render Cache and then delete to trash those files

the go to Users/your folder name/Library/Caches/TemporaryItems/ --- there may be two folders in there Poser and Poser 11 choose the right one for your program --- /11/check these two folder and delete the files in them: PoserTextureCache and PoserUndoCache

Empty trash then re-open Poser.
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: McGrandpa on September 28, 2019, 03:11:51 PM
Trust when I say I completely understand!  When I came back, Bondware had just taken over Poser.  I couldn't download P11.  My S/N for both 10 and 11 were not "recognized".  I ended up having to shell out $199 for a "new" version.  I sent in a message and was told that my original license for 11 had been installed 3 times (see above) so it was no longer valid.  No reason why my P10 and PP2014 licenses were not recognized.  Then all communication shut down.  I HATE DAZ and what they did, but I feel like R'osity is doing the same exact thing, only with the software instead of the characters :(

You already owned Poser 11?   I think that "installed 3 times" is utter crap.   You are allowed to move a "seat" from one machine to another.  If it was uninstalled without unregistering that installation first, simply tell them that no longer exists.   The rule I read from way back when is I am allowed to have 1 copy installed on 1 desktop and one mobile (laptop).  I cannot run both at the same time.  That is the only rule about licensing issues I know of.   Never even heard of "3 Seats" before now.

I have been hit with the issue of "too many instances installed" in the past with Poser 7, with Vue 6 Inf., and a few other programs.   Usually had to do with wiping the hd on an old laptop before giving it to one of my kids.  And, NOT de-registering it first.  Oh and Adobe Photoshop definitely hit me with that too.

So, did you actually talk to someone at Renderosity?
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: McGrandpa on September 28, 2019, 03:15:46 PM
When I took P11 the other day, it was September 25. And the version I obtained (not the Beta version) was Poser 11.2.286. One way or another, Poser was updated since you took it. Did you suscribe to have Poser before the official release date? If you, you have a Beta version.

ON Sept 19, release day, the "release version" was 11.2.272.   I dl'd and installed THAT version from their public server, just as we were told to do.   No problem so far.   I have also dl'd that later release, but not installed it yet.  From the public server, not the private beta tester link.
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: McGrandpa on September 28, 2019, 03:17:39 PM
In PC it is your user folder/app data/roaming/poser folder You get rid of those files to free up space, I did it every night cause although Poser should do it, sometimes it won't

(snipped MAC stuff)


Ok, I knew there were some things in there but never thought to go empty them manually!  Thanks Mary!  :)
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: McGrandpa on September 28, 2019, 03:21:19 PM
It's now up to 11.2.286 last I looked and frankly I don't know how it got there, but that's the new version #

Ok, I get you.  Will go to the public server and get new files.   I knew there were going to be issues because of the lack of communications from the PTB's.   Even while in the SLACK app we were not very well informed of things.   I realize there is a lack of personnel TO do the communicating, but c'mon now, a version change and no mailout or info IN Poser!?   That's not good at all.
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: Aelin on September 28, 2019, 03:23:36 PM
ON Sept 19, release day, the "release version" was 11.2.272.   I dl'd and installed THAT version from their public server, just as we were told to do.   No problem so far.   I have also dl'd that later release, but not installed it yet.  From the public server, not the private beta tester link.
Well, I simply followed the link gave by DarkAngel in that topic
http://www.thefantasiesattic.net/attic/index.php?topic=20890.0
And to be sure that connection would be better to load, I waited than most of people took Poser the first days of the release  :likeyou:
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: McGrandpa on September 28, 2019, 03:24:08 PM
Ok I just had PP 11 check manually as 'check for updates on launch' was unchecked.  Duh.  Will turn that one one next!  New version downloading now.

Thanks Ray (and everybody talking about the new version!) !!!   


Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: sidherose on September 28, 2019, 03:51:59 PM
Ok, I get you.  Will go to the public server and get new files.   I knew there were going to be issues because of the lack of communications from the PTB's.   Even while in the SLACK app we were not very well informed of things.   I realize there is a lack of personnel TO do the communicating, but c'mon now, a version change and no mailout or info IN Poser!?   That's not good at all.

I only downloaded the 11.2.272 update. That is the only version I've downloaded and installed, and then one day it was 11.2.286 and I seriously have no idea how that happened. I did not download anything else. I'd thought perhaps it updated over the web on it's own.
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: OFW on September 28, 2019, 04:03:51 PM
You already owned Poser 11?   I think that "installed 3 times" is utter crap.   You are allowed to move a "seat" from one machine to another.  If it was uninstalled without unregistering that installation first, simply tell them that no longer exists.   The rule I read from way back when is I am allowed to have 1 copy installed on 1 desktop and one mobile (laptop).  I cannot run both at the same time.  That is the only rule about licensing issues I know of.   Never even heard of "3 Seats" before now.

I have been hit with the issue of "too many instances installed" in the past with Poser 7, with Vue 6 Inf., and a few other programs.   Usually had to do with wiping the hd on an old laptop before giving it to one of my kids.  And, NOT de-registering it first.  Oh and Adobe Photoshop definitely hit me with that too.

So, did you actually talk to someone at Renderosity?

Yes.  I sent in a contact with the issue and Jenn replied back to me and was the one who told me that I had installed it 3 times and that was why the installer was saying it wasn't valid any longer.  By that time I had already purchased another version.  She asked me who I bought the new version from, I responded that I bought it from Renderoisty, along with the S/N and the Invoice Number and she went radio silent after that.  I've tried to reach out a couple of time since with nothing. 
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: OFW on September 28, 2019, 04:08:56 PM
Ok I just had PP 11 check manually as 'check for updates on launch' was unchecked.  Duh.  Will turn that one one next!  New version downloading now.

Thanks Ray (and everybody talking about the new version!) !!!   




There is also a little tiny bell in the upper right hand corner of the program that will let you know when there is an update, or at least it did for me, today.  Perhaps this was part of one of the more recent updates?
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: sidherose on September 28, 2019, 04:10:25 PM
Ok I just had PP 11 check manually as 'check for updates on launch' was unchecked.  Duh.  Will turn that one one next!  New version downloading now.

Thanks Ray (and everybody talking about the new version!) !!!

I got one of those notices (mine  wasn't unchecked) the other day and I went and looked and decided I'm  not going to. So when you get it installed, McG I'd be interested to know what version number that is - if it's higher than .286. I don't like that the front update file doesn't have any version number on it. You can't tell if you need it or not. Over in the Poser forum, people have been asking for a kind of list that shows what the latest update fixed or did, like NVIDIA does when they update or just about anyone else. It *would* be nice to see. 

Seeing as how quite a few people do not have endless bandwidth and have to pay extra every time they go over their quota.
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: OFW on September 28, 2019, 04:24:16 PM
I got one of those notices (mine  wasn't unchecked) the other day and I went and looked and decided I'm  not going to. So when you get it installed, McG I'd be interested to know what version number that is - if it's higher than .286. I don't like that the front update file doesn't have any version number on it. You can't tell if you need it or not. Over in the Poser forum, people have been asking for a kind of list that shows what the latest update fixed or did, like NVIDIA does when they update or just about anyone else. It *would* be nice to see. 

Seeing as how quite a few people do not have endless bandwidth and have to pay extra every time they go over their quota.
I just installed today's update and it was .289
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: sidherose on September 28, 2019, 05:31:22 PM
There is also a little tiny bell in the upper right hand corner of the program that will let you know when there is an update, or at least it did for me, today.  Perhaps this was part of one of the more recent updates?

I might have seen it in there. It 'rings a bell' - bad, bad...I know.  :ifonly: But I was so busy looking at everything and where it is.

Really, "How many more times?" - as Robert Plant would ask. Is this going to be like Windows 10 only somewhat more controllable? Hopefully not. Well the controllable part is good, just not "When do the updates end?" part.
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: McGrandpa on September 28, 2019, 09:33:47 PM
Hi!  Just got up, and installed the new PP 11 files.  Its running and showed "11.2.289" in the splash screen.

But this just shows the lack of good communication between Rendo Poser people and us.   Part of that lack is there is no version number on the files we download, nor can you see which version the installers are until you are finished with the installations and the program is running.   I don't feel that is being too picky either, wanting to know this stuff.
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: sidherose on September 28, 2019, 10:54:49 PM
Hi!  Just got up, and installed the new PP 11 files.  Its running and showed "11.2.289" in the splash screen.

But this just shows the lack of good communication between Rendo Poser people and us.   Part of that lack is there is no version number on the files we download, nor can you see which version the installers are until you are finished with the installations and the program is running.   I don't feel that is being too picky either, wanting to know this stuff.

Exactly. Everything else we get that has versions has that info clearly labeled.
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: OFW on September 29, 2019, 03:55:08 AM
I might have seen it in there. It 'rings a bell' - bad, bad...I know.  :ifonly: But I was so busy looking at everything and where it is.
:tearlaugh: :tearlaugh: On my tiny laptop screen its hard to miss it, but it's there.  Thinking I need to hook up an external monitor so I can see things better..these old eyes just don't see those tiny things so well on a 15" screen very well.

Really, "How many more times?" - as Robert Plant would ask. Is this going to be like Windows 10 only somewhat more controllable? Hopefully not. Well the controllable part is good, just not "When do the updates end?" part.
Personally, I don't care if they update it until they get everything that's been broken for years fixed...I'd rather have updates than have to shell out more money for another version, particularly in light of what I went through in July.  I really don't want to have to shell out more money for a new version so soon after having to purchase a second version of P11.  If they would "fix" my issue, I wouldn't feel so bad about it.
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: Aelin on September 29, 2019, 07:20:02 AM
Hi!  Just got up, and installed the new PP 11 files.  Its running and showed "11.2.289" in the splash screen.

But this just shows the lack of good communication between Rendo Poser people and us.   Part of that lack is there is no version number on the files we download, nor can you see which version the installers are until you are finished with the installations and the program is running.   I don't feel that is being too picky either, wanting to know this stuff.
They need time before to be well with communication on updates maybe. Or maybe we don't look enough on their Poser forum? :shrug:
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: sidherose on September 29, 2019, 04:41:59 PM
Question:

It seems I have this issue with Victoria 4 and dialing her clothing to fit her. It's like I'm hallucinating when it happens, but it is happening. Has anyone else been trying to dial her clothes to fit her and you select some part like the Chest and try to adjust that part of the i.e. jacket, and it starts morphing HER, not the jacket. It depends on what dial you choose - seemingly. Like "RaiseLBreast" on Chest, and it starts morphing her body, not the jacket. The Body morphs for the clothing will activate morphing her body. I think. I'm sitting there going what the heck is happening here? You're expecting one thing and getting another. It's not how she worked before. I'm still running PP 2014 sometimes, and it happens in there too. Not just PP11
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: sidherose on September 29, 2019, 04:43:22 PM
And yes, I'm sure the jacket is selected, not her. I've purposely selected the jacket and tried it and it morphed HER not the jacket.
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: OFW on September 29, 2019, 04:46:20 PM
And yes, I'm sure the jacket is selected, not her. I've purposely selected the jacket and tried it and it morphed HER not the jacket.

I've had that happen to quite a few items...mostly from the DAZ store.  I end up just not using the body morphs because the clothing won't conform...it's frustrating, to say the least
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: sidherose on September 29, 2019, 05:01:55 PM
I've had that happen to quite a few items...mostly from the DAZ store.  I end up just not using the body morphs because the clothing won't conform...it's frustrating, to say the least

I figured you of all people probably had, if anyone here. Thank you for confirming that, hon. I'm not hallucinating then. It's weird because you're trying to fix the clothing and all of a sudden her breasts pop out. Whoa! It is DAZ clothing that this is happening on. But I had a conforming piece from Rendo that got all sideways in the breast area and didn't really want to cooperate. ALIENS!! I haven't tried Dynamic in there yet. Been thinking about it though, so likely will soon.

I much dislike not being able to use the body morphs. They're part of the character too, and I know you know that story!
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: OFW on September 29, 2019, 05:10:31 PM
I figured you of all people probably had, if anyone here. Thank you for confirming that, hon. I'm not hallucinating then. It's weird because you're trying to fix the clothing and all of a sudden her breasts pop out. Whoa! It is DAZ clothing that this is happening on. But I had a conforming piece from Rendo that got all sideways in the breast area and didn't really want to cooperate. ALIENS!! I haven't tried Dynamic in there yet. Been thinking about it though, so likely will soon.

I much dislike not being able to use the body morphs. They're part of the character too, and I know you know that story!

Yeah, I thought I was loosing my mind the first few times it happened, so you aren't hallucinating...lol

I very much do not like the fact that I can't use body morphs...as you said, they are as much a part of the character as the head..and yes, I've had it happen on the odd Rendo piece but for the most part it seems to be Daz items that are effected.  Don't know what has changed, but BW needs to figure it out, because there are more customers than just us who are still using the tried and true bases and are not in a position to spend thousands rekitting new figures.
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: Aelin on September 29, 2019, 05:13:34 PM
Isn't an issue in the code with something written for example BODY: 1 in place of BODY: 2 - or converses? I think I heard (maybe on a video at Rendo for creation of characters or outfit) or I read something concerning the numbers like that in the code. But I can't tell more by memory.
But you can compare in Notepad ++ codes between the one with problems, and another you know his working.

And I imagine guys reading for her breast "pop out" :tearlaugh:
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: sidherose on September 29, 2019, 05:19:08 PM
Yeah, I thought I was loosing my mind the first few times it happened, so you aren't hallucinating...lol

I very much do not like the fact that I can't use body morphs...as you said, they are as much a part of the character as the head..and yes, I've had it happen on the odd Rendo piece but for the most part it seems to be Daz items that are effected.  Don't know what has changed, but BW needs to figure it out, because there are more customers than just us who are still using the tried and true bases and are not in a position to spend thousands rekitting new figures.

Amen to THAT!
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: OFW on September 29, 2019, 05:28:02 PM
Haven't gotten back into the cloth room...been trying to revamp my store items (and put together goodies for the holidays)...if you give it a shot, let me know if you have better luck than I did. 

Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: sidherose on September 29, 2019, 05:29:57 PM
Isn't an issue in the code with something written for example BODY: 1 in place of BODY: 2 - or converses? I think I heard (maybe on a video at Rendo for creation of characters or outfit) or I read something concerning the numbers like that in the code. But I can't tell more by memory.
But you can compare in Notepad ++ codes between the one with problems, and another you know his working.

And I imagine guys reading for her breast "pop out" :tearlaugh:

The trouble is both Victoria 4 and the Jacket have a Body.  I haven't noticed any Body #s - just "Body" in the listing. This is all stuff out of my runtimes that I got at least a year ago or more and it worked fine. Before I loaded PP11. It's my same stuff. So, I really have nothing to compare to unless I go dig out the .zip file and unzip it to compare the two. Not very likely to happen. But I have to investigate it more with different things. 

It's okay with the memory Aelin - especially regarding THIS stuff because it's literally changing all the time.

Is today Tuesday?
No.
Well Tuesday it was.......
Well, it's not any more!

The trouble is we-don't-know because we don't know what each update has 'fixed'.
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: sidherose on September 29, 2019, 05:31:45 PM
Haven't gotten back into the cloth room...been trying to revamp my store items (and put together goodies for the holidays)...if you give it a shot, let me know if you have better luck than I did.

Yes, I will. When I was considering doing dynamic the other day, I thought of you and your issue. I hope so too!
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: OFW on September 29, 2019, 05:34:01 PM
The trouble is we-don't-know because we don't know what each update has 'fixed'.

And until they start acting like real software developers, instead of hobbiests, we won't
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: sidherose on September 29, 2019, 05:55:56 PM
And until they start acting like real software developers, instead of hobbiests, we won't

You're probably right on that. It's a little more than paper-dolls in reality, for sure.
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: Aelin on September 30, 2019, 06:38:01 AM
The trouble is both Victoria 4 and the Jacket have a Body.  I haven't noticed any Body #s - just "Body" in the listing. This is all stuff out of my runtimes that I got at least a year ago or more and it worked fine. Before I loaded PP11. It's my same stuff. So, I really have nothing to compare to unless I go dig out the .zip file and unzip it to compare the two. Not very likely to happen. But I have to investigate it more with different things. 

It's okay with the memory Aelin - especially regarding THIS stuff because it's literally changing all the time.

Is today Tuesday?
No.
Well Tuesday it was.......
Well, it's not any more!

The trouble is we-don't-know because we don't know what each update has 'fixed'.
Memory, time of the night, and fact I was almost out of battery for the comp in fact :tearlaugh:

Ok, I wanted to talk of things like that
Code: [Select]
actor chest:1Above, is the part of code for V4 herself. In a Xurge3d top (I looked the Fantasy Ranger) it's the same part of code.
Yet, sometimes there are .cr2 which have
Code: [Select]
actor chest:2Maybe it's that the problem? Or it can be in the "channel" part. I'm not expert in codes, I just always try to understand what happens in my own codes, you know :tearlaugh:
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: McGrandpa on September 30, 2019, 10:12:02 PM
Y'all lost me in this poor performing conforming clothing with V4 issue.   PP 11 has from its beginning sometimes done weird stuff with Gen4 conforming stuff.  Not all, but some of it goes haywire, like Ray is talking about.  When it does, I go to PP 2014, load a V4, then the clothing, make sure its Body is selected, go to Properties tab and select the top 4 fitting controls.   THEN Conform the item.  Most of the time that clothing will Do The Right Thing, and fit itself to V4 nicely.   PP 11 does not do this very well.   I guess we need to report this.
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: sidherose on October 01, 2019, 12:26:31 AM
Y'all lost me in this poor performing conforming clothing with V4 issue.   PP 11 has from its beginning sometimes done weird stuff with Gen4 conforming stuff.  Not all, but some of it goes haywire, like Ray is talking about.  When it does, I go to PP 2014, load a V4, then the clothing, make sure its Body is selected, go to Properties tab and select the top 4 fitting controls.   THEN Conform the item.  Most of the time that clothing will Do The Right Thing, and fit itself to V4 nicely.   PP 11 does not do this very well.   I guess we need to report this.

You don't have to go into PP2014. You can do it in PP11 and it does it very well if you know what to do. Just hang on and maybe I'll have something for you soon that solves the whole problem. Don't report it or you'll get laughed at.   :thissmall:


And hey, whilst looking through my documents this afternoon I DID find a list of changes, additions, etc. for the version I have - 11.2.286, so presumably, if you download the Documents that go with the version on the front download page there (and you're supposed to), you should see it in your documents for Poser Pro 11.

It's called...are you ready for it? "Poser 11 Readme"
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: McGrandpa on October 01, 2019, 07:14:36 PM
 :yeow: :odd: :shj:


 :havesum:
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: OFW on October 02, 2019, 05:08:06 PM
You don't have to go into PP2014. You can do it in PP11 and it does it very well if you know what to do. Just hang on and maybe I'll have something for you soon that solves the whole problem. Don't report it or you'll get laughed at.   :thissmall:

Hey, we wouldn't want that!  Better to be laughed at than ignored altogether :shrug: Trying your fix this evening!!!

And hey, whilst looking through my documents this afternoon I DID find a list of changes, additions, etc. for the version I have - 11.2.286, so presumably, if you download the Documents that go with the version on the front download page there (and you're supposed to), you should see it in your documents for Poser Pro 11.

It's called...are you ready for it? "Poser 11 Readme"

 :tearlaugh: :tearlaugh: I guess if any of us bothered to read the README's anymore, we would have figured that out, now, wouldn't we :tearlaugh: :tearlaugh:
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: OFW on October 02, 2019, 05:12:10 PM
Y'all lost me in this poor performing conforming clothing with V4 issue.   PP 11 has from its beginning sometimes done weird stuff with Gen4 conforming stuff.  Not all, but some of it goes haywire, like Ray is talking about.  When it does, I go to PP 2014, load a V4, then the clothing, make sure its Body is selected, go to Properties tab and select the top 4 fitting controls.   THEN Conform the item.  Most of the time that clothing will Do The Right Thing, and fit itself to V4 nicely.   PP 11 does not do this very well.   I guess we need to report this.

I don't have that option since they said my PP2014 and P10 S/N's were invalid when I first came back and tried to download ANYTHING...sooooo....we are back to the whole issue earlier.
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: sidherose on October 02, 2019, 05:25:16 PM
Hey, we wouldn't want that!  Better to be laughed at than ignored altogether :shrug: Trying your fix this evening!!!

 :tearlaugh: :tearlaugh: I guess if any of us bothered to read the README's anymore, we would have figured that out, now, wouldn't we :tearlaugh: :tearlaugh:

Oh, yeah.... I found out that was an old S-M list of updates on P11. I guess it really doesn't help any with this. :thud: I uh, didn't look at the date on it. There's so much stuff in there..... But a lot of it looks pretty cool. :smiley:
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: sidherose on October 04, 2019, 11:17:28 AM
You don't have to go into PP2014. You can do it in PP11 and it does it very well if you know what to do. Just hang on and maybe I'll have something for you soon that solves the whole problem.

Been working with V4.2 because I'm most familiar with her morphs and morphing.

I've played some with Pauline and La Femme but not so much that I understand all of that about them. Regarding Pauline, some stuff in the FACE room got altered and I'm not sure when because I haven't used a Poser figure in years.

That is: You used to be able to apply the morphs only made in the Face Room to the face without applying the texture. Not so now. It applies BOTH the morphs and the default skin tone for whatever Ethnicity you have dialed in there. But it's not the same Ethnic texture as Pauline's body is. There could be something I'm not seeing in there. I haven't been through all it's various morph dials yet. Haven't had time.  If someone here is familiar with the face room and knows something I'm missing, please do enlighten me. I don't remember, does Pauline have those 'ghost bones' in her face like La Femme does? 

Now, to this:

What I have found in experimenting with this fitting thing is, "Yes, it works"...but there is a caveat and a rather important one..."It works if the mesh on the clothing is good." That, meaning it doesn't fall apart or still not conform when you do the fitting thing. Unfortunately that's quite a bit of stuff that doesn't want to conform - particularly if the character is -- shall we say 'Voluptuous'. Sometimes not even on the figure it was made for - base V4.2 with NO morphs at all.

So, it's not really any less trouble than doing whatever you normally do to make clothes fit.
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: Glitterati3D on October 04, 2019, 12:45:41 PM

Now, to this:

What I have found in experimenting with this fitting thing is, "Yes, it works"...but there is a caveat and a rather important one..."It works if the mesh on the clothing is good." That, meaning it doesn't fall apart or still not conform when you do the fitting thing. Unfortunately that's quite a bit of stuff that doesn't want to conform - particularly if the character is -- shall we say 'Voluptuous'. Sometimes not even on the figure it was made for - base V4.2 with NO morphs at all.

So, it's not really any less trouble than doing whatever you normally do to make clothes fit.
Now that everyone has been upgraded to the Pro version, you can simply move the missing "Volutptuous"  morph to the clothing with Figure>Copy Morphs From

No need to fight with the Fitting Room any longer.
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: FrahHawk on October 04, 2019, 01:19:26 PM
Now that everyone has been upgraded to the Pro version, you can simply move the missing "Volutptuous"  morph to the clothing with Figure>Copy Morphs From

No need to fight with the Fitting Room any longer.


Yes but there's another caveat. Not all clothing meshes will accept the morphs. But yeah it's a blessing in disguise. Love using those copy functions along with those "buttons" on the parameter panel when conforming.
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: sidherose on October 04, 2019, 04:15:45 PM
Now that everyone has been upgraded to the Pro version, you can simply move the missing "Volutptuous"  morph to the clothing with Figure>Copy Morphs From

No need to fight with the Fitting Room any longer.

Thank you for your response, G3D. However, I don't get that. When I drag and drop an item of clothing onto V4.2 and then pick the Body of the shirt and click on "Copy Morphs From..." the only choice that pops up or is available to pick is V.4.2. So how do I ::simply move the missing "Voluptuous" morph:: to the shirt (or whatever). Sorry but I don't know what I'm doing wrong or not seeing here.
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: Aelin on October 04, 2019, 04:20:12 PM
Thank you for your response, G3D. However, I don't get that. When I drag and drop an item of clothing onto V4.2 and then pick the Body of the shirt and click on "Copy Morphs From..." the only choice that pops up or is available to pick is V.4.2. So how do I ::simply move the missing "Voluptuous" morph:: to the shirt (or whatever). Sorry but I don't know what I'm doing wrong or not seeing here.
Sound like an issue in the code of the clothing. Is it a freebie?
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: OFW on October 04, 2019, 04:55:02 PM
Thank you for your response, G3D. However, I don't get that. When I drag and drop an item of clothing onto V4.2 and then pick the Body of the shirt and click on "Copy Morphs From..." the only choice that pops up or is available to pick is V.4.2. So how do I ::simply move the missing "Voluptuous" morph:: to the shirt (or whatever). Sorry but I don't know what I'm doing wrong or not seeing here.

I think what she is saying (maybe???) is that you  go to the menu item figure->copy Morphs From
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: sidherose on October 04, 2019, 04:57:14 PM
Sound like an issue in the code of the clothing. Is it a freebie?

No. I don't use a lot of freebie-Freebies. Just normal stuff you get at a 3D store.

Well, if you select that v 4.2 choice on that drop-down, you get another pop-up which has all of V 4.2 selected with 'x's. Is there a 'Voluptuous' thing to check in there? I don't recall anything like that, but I'm old and confused.

'Voluptuous' is only listed in the morphs of some to most pieces of clothing as far as I know (and therefore in their .pz2 files, etc. So, I don't understand where I'd move it from upon clicking the Figure > Chose Morphs From... command. Maybe that's what you're thinking I mean, Aelin? That I was using something that didn't have that dial? No. Absolutely not - lol.
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: Aelin on October 04, 2019, 05:06:25 PM
No. I don't use a lot of freebie-Freebies. Just normal stuff you get at a 3D store.

Well, if you select that v 4.2 choice on that drop-down, you get another pop-up which has all of V 4.2 selected with 'x's. Is there a 'Voluptuous' thing to check in there? I don't recall anything like that, but I'm old and confused.

'Voluptuous' is only listed in the morphs of some to most pieces of clothing as far as I know (and therefore in their .pz2 files, etc. So, I don't understand where I'd move it from upon clicking the Figure > Chose Morphs From... command. Maybe that's what you're thinking I mean, Aelin? That I was using something that didn't have that dial? No. Absolutely not - lol.
No, my idea was to look inside the code if I was able to find the issue, if the thing was a freebie.
I don't think you are making a mistake, it's just something from the outfit which is the problem. Maybe just a } in bad place (or missing).

For the rest, I don't think I used many morphed bodies on Poser, except for M4. So my experience is limited there. And I always don't have tested P11.2, only installed it on the comp.
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: sidherose on October 04, 2019, 05:12:37 PM
I think what she is saying (maybe???) is that you  go to the menu item figure->copy Morphs From

At this point, I won't hazard a guess or I'll be more confused. LOL. :peek:
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: OFW on October 04, 2019, 05:14:24 PM
No, my idea was to look inside the code if I was able to find the issue, if the thing was a freebie.
I don't think you are making a mistake, it's just something from the outfit which is the problem. Maybe just a } in bad place (or missing).

For the rest, I don't think I used many morphed bodies on Poser, except for M4. So my experience is limited there. And I always don't have tested P11.2, only installed it on the comp.

Dont think its the code of the items...becaue they worked fine before...when the items were originally released
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: OFW on October 04, 2019, 05:14:58 PM
At this point, I won't hazard a guess or I'll be more confused. LOL. :peek:

Can't blame you there!
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: sidherose on October 04, 2019, 05:15:29 PM
No, my idea was to look inside the code if I was able to find the issue, if the thing was a freebie.
I don't think you are making a mistake, it's just something from the outfit which is the problem. Maybe just a } in bad place (or missing).

For the rest, I don't think I used many morphed bodies on Poser, except for M4. So my experience is limited there. And I always don't have tested P11.2, only installed it on the comp.

Ahh, I nearly always use the morphed character bodies because sometimes they look like they have toothpick arms - to me. It looks silly with giant battle-axes. But that's just me :shrug:
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: sidherose on October 04, 2019, 05:16:32 PM
Dont think its the code of the items...becaue they worked fine before...when the items were originally released

You have a point there, OFW!

Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: Jherrith on October 04, 2019, 05:18:49 PM
Has anyone ran into this problem yet?

Or is it just me?

Was going to import an OBJ file for Cookie and it gives me an error importing file message every time.

Granted this was a morphed character, so tried it again with a completely normal character still no joy

Tried it in Poser 10 and again no joy.

Any ideas ????

Could not find the file in my inventory so downloaded a fresh copy from ShareCG will be installing later tonight and see what happens ...

Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: OFW on October 04, 2019, 05:53:43 PM
Has anyone ran into this problem yet?

Or is it just me?

Was going to import an OBJ file for Cookie and it gives me an error importing file message every time.

Granted this was a morphed character, so tried it again with a completely normal character still no joy

Tried it in Poser 10 and again no joy.

Any ideas ????

Could not find the file in my inventory so downloaded a fresh copy from ShareCG will be installing later tonight and see what happens ...



I tried to import the free wheelchair from shareCG, that Aelin posted up last month, with no luck, either.
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: FrahHawk on October 04, 2019, 06:08:41 PM
Thank you for your response, G3D. However, I don't get that. When I drag and drop an item of clothing onto V4.2 and then pick the Body of the shirt and click on "Copy Morphs From..." the only choice that pops up or is available to pick is V.4.2. So how do I ::simply move the missing "Voluptuous" morph:: to the shirt (or whatever). Sorry but I don't know what I'm doing wrong or not seeing here.

Look like a time for a mini tut, eh?  See the attached pics. Start at the bottom and work up.



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Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: sidherose on October 04, 2019, 06:15:13 PM
Thank you Hawk, but that's exactly what I'm doing. However it doesn't work with everything.
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: sidherose on October 04, 2019, 06:20:25 PM
I used this method on the Desert Queen outfit from RMP and it worked perfectly - even the gloves. Everything fit. However other things from other outfits don't. Notice that even her hair draped over her left shoulder nicely when I plopped it on her head and morphed it. Now, this is my MaryJane and she is 'Voluptuous' .

http://www.thefantasiesattic.net/attic/cpg/displayimage.php?pid=37920
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: FrahHawk on October 04, 2019, 06:25:17 PM
I tried to import the free wheelchair from shareCG, that Aelin posted up last month, with no luck, either.

What kind of problem do you encounter? I just imported a wheelchair from ShareCG in OBJ format. The only problem I had was the location of the texture files. And also I had it set to import at 100 % of the standard character size and placed on the floor. Other setting remained the same.
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: FrahHawk on October 04, 2019, 06:27:15 PM
Thank you Hawk, but that's exactly what I'm doing. However it doesn't work with everything.

Like I posted earlier. There is one caveat. Not all meshes will accept the morphs.
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: OFW on October 04, 2019, 06:28:24 PM
What kind of problem do you encounter? I just imported a wheelchair from ShareCG in OBJ format. The only problem I had was the location of the texture files. And also I had it set to import at 100 % of the standard character size and placed on the floor. Other setting remained the same.

I did all of that...I even "found" the texture file...but when the little wheel stopped spinning, nothing showed in the screen.  The program "said" it was populated but the screen was blank and even running my cursor over it did not pick anything up. 
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: FrahHawk on October 04, 2019, 06:29:38 PM
I used this method on the Desert Queen outfit from RMP and it worked perfectly - even the gloves. Everything fit. However other things from other outfits don't. Notice that even her hair draped over her left shoulder nicely when I plopped it on her head and morphed it. Now, this is my MaryJane and she is 'Voluptuous' .

http://www.thefantasiesattic.net/attic/cpg/displayimage.php?pid=37920

Nice!!!
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: OFW on October 04, 2019, 06:31:42 PM
I used this method on the Desert Queen outfit from RMP and it worked perfectly - even the gloves. Everything fit. However other things from other outfits don't. Notice that even her hair draped over her left shoulder nicely when I plopped it on her head and morphed it. Now, this is my MaryJane and she is 'Voluptuous' .

http://www.thefantasiesattic.net/attic/cpg/displayimage.php?pid=37920

She's a beaut, Ray!  Nice to see one working well :wink:
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: FrahHawk on October 04, 2019, 06:33:43 PM
I did all of that...I even "found" the texture file...but when the little wheel stopped spinning, nothing showed in the screen.  The program "said" it was populated but the screen was blank and even running my cursor over it did not pick anything up. 


Which file was it? Can you give me a link? Maybe I picked up the wrong one?
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: OFW on October 04, 2019, 06:47:09 PM

Which file was it? Can you give me a link? Maybe I picked up the wrong one?


It's the one Aelin has posted up: http://www.sharecg.com/v/78219/browse/5/3D-Model/Wheelchair
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: sidherose on October 04, 2019, 06:53:44 PM
Like I posted earlier. There is one caveat. Not all meshes will accept the morphs.

This is why I purposely said I didn't use Pauline or La Femme in my tests, because their clothing is Poser clothing, made for Poser. It 'should' work.
My question was specifically about V 4.2. I said the same caveat - somewhere in here.
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: FrahHawk on October 04, 2019, 06:55:28 PM
It's the one Aelin has posted up: http://www.sharecg.com/v/78219/browse/5/3D-Model/Wheelchair


That's the one. Maybe you didn't check the "Put on Floor" and it's somewhere up there. Did you do a drop to the floor?
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: sidherose on October 04, 2019, 06:56:15 PM
She's a beaut, Ray!  Nice to see one working well :wink:

Thank you OFW.

I don't think Poser clothing has 'Voluptuous' morphs, do they? Haven't played with it enough to remember.
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: sidherose on October 04, 2019, 06:58:16 PM
Nice!!!

Thank you, Hawk.
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: sidherose on October 04, 2019, 06:59:33 PM

That's the one. Maybe you didn't check the "Put on Floor" and it's somewhere up there. Did you do a drop to the floor?

Did you zoom out on it, OFW? It could have been up in the air IF you didn't click on Drop to Floor.
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: OFW on October 04, 2019, 07:01:08 PM
Thank you OFW.

I don't think Poser clothing has 'Voluptuous' morphs, do they? Haven't played with it enough to remember.

No, "Volumptuous" is a Morph++ morph, I believe, and doesn't come standard, its something that "used to" carry through, just like the rest of the add on body morphs. 
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: OFW on October 04, 2019, 07:03:14 PM

That's the one. Maybe you didn't check the "Put on Floor" and it's somewhere up there. Did you do a drop to the floor?


I ticked off "Put on Floor" ...and when it didn't populate, I used all of the different camera angels and zoomed out but nada
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: sidherose on October 04, 2019, 07:08:10 PM
No, "Volumptuous" is a Morph++ morph, I believe, and doesn't come standard, its something that "used to" carry through, just like the rest of the add on body morphs.

Thought so. So G3D WAS answering me. I just have no idea where it is to be moved 'from'.
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: sidherose on October 04, 2019, 07:09:29 PM

I ticked off "Put on Floor" ...and when it didn't populate, I used all of the different camera angels and zoomed out but nada

Then it's a Mystery to me!!
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: FrahHawk on October 04, 2019, 07:12:08 PM

I ticked off "Put on Floor" ...and when it didn't populate, I used all of the different camera angels and zoomed out but nada


Do a fresh download and try again. Maybe it's corrupted?  I'm thinking that maybe you could use the translation dials to set the axises to 0 and set the camera view to neutral (0, 2, 0) But download a fresh file and see?
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: OFW on October 04, 2019, 07:12:36 PM
Then it's a Mystery to me!!

It could have something to do with the fact that I'm eating up all of my graphics processing with this render LOL  If it ever finishes (been rendering in Que since 10:00 am EST), I'll try it again and see if I get better results.  It literally was a quick test to see if I could get it to come in, after J posted his issue. 
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: sidherose on October 04, 2019, 07:45:16 PM
It could have something to do with the fact that I'm eating up all of my graphics processing with this render LOL  If it ever finishes (been rendering in Que since 10:00 am EST), I'll try it again and see if I get better results.  It literally was a quick test to see if I could get it to come in, after J posted his issue.

That could indeed very well be.
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: sidherose on October 05, 2019, 01:51:30 AM
Okay, after playing in there some more: In that second pop-up that comes with "Copy Morphs From..." there is a "Voluptuous" item or two in there that may possibly be unchecked. If either of them is unchecked, then make sure they're checked. Et voila!

You inject her morphs, then put some clothing on her and Figure > Conform to... (V 4.2)  and then Copy Morphs From... (V 4.2 pop-up & X list of V 4.2 parts n' pieces) and it should work as long as the mesh is up to it. This time I tried it on a girl that's even more voluptuous than Mary Jane.

http://www.thefantasiesattic.net/attic/cpg/displayimage.php?pid=37946
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: Glitterati3D on October 05, 2019, 06:35:51 AM
No. I don't use a lot of freebie-Freebies. Just normal stuff you get at a 3D store.

Well, if you select that v 4.2 choice on that drop-down, you get another pop-up which has all of V 4.2 selected with 'x's. Is there a 'Voluptuous' thing to check in there? I don't recall anything like that, but I'm old and confused.

'Voluptuous' is only listed in the morphs of some to most pieces of clothing as far as I know (and therefore in their .pz2 files, etc. So, I don't understand where I'd move it from upon clicking the Figure > Chose Morphs From... command. Maybe that's what you're thinking I mean, Aelin? That I was using something that didn't have that dial? No. Absolutely not - lol.
Yes, you have to inject the voluptuous morph into V4 to be able to transfer it to the clothing.
Here's a couple of fast hints:
If you want to copy over just one or two morphs, click the x in the Body at the top and that unselects all the morphs in the list for you.  No need to do each one.
If the morph you need to copy is a Full Body Morph (voluptuous is) checking off that morph in the Body section will automatically select it in all affected joints. 

These hints will help you not have to scroll that forever and ever list of V4 morphs we had to inject all the time.  :-)

Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: Aelin on October 05, 2019, 06:50:16 AM

I ticked off "Put on Floor" ...and when it didn't populate, I used all of the different camera angels and zoomed out but nada
And isn't so use in the scene that it's outside the "dome" of Poser? That happened to me before.
I'm not on comp with Poser, so I can't try myself. And like I put the .obj in pp2 format by Daz 3 years ago, that won't help the case.
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: sidherose on October 05, 2019, 11:26:30 AM
Yes, you have to inject the voluptuous morph into V4 to be able to transfer it to the clothing.
Here's a couple of fast hints:
If you want to copy over just one or two morphs, click the x in the Body at the top and that unselects all the morphs in the list for you.  No need to do each one.
If the morph you need to copy is a Full Body Morph (voluptuous is) checking off that morph in the Body section will automatically select it in all affected joints. 

These hints will help you not have to scroll that forever and ever list of V4 morphs we had to inject all the time.  :-)

Thank you so much for taking time to answer my questions hon. I thank you for the information and that makes things more clear now. :mwah:
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: McGrandpa on October 05, 2019, 10:45:04 PM
Now that everyone has been upgraded to the Pro version, you can simply move the missing "Volutptuous"  morph to the clothing with Figure>Copy Morphs From

No need to fight with the Fitting Room any longer.

I had just noticed the same thing!  But, using Copy Morphs From means going through that two mile long list and being selective.  OR just dump the whole thing in?   That could use some massaging I think.  I still  have Morphing Clothes, and it still works.   So when I run into the odd clothing that won't behave with the Settings Tab options checked, then I can resort to that for a permanent fix of that item.
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: sidherose on October 05, 2019, 11:21:08 PM
Yes, you have to inject the voluptuous morph into V4 to be able to transfer it to the clothing.
Here's a couple of fast hints:
If you want to copy over just one or two morphs, click the x in the Body at the top and that unselects all the morphs in the list for you.  No need to do each one.
If the morph you need to copy is a Full Body Morph (voluptuous is) checking off that morph in the Body section will automatically select it in all affected joints. 

These hints will help you not have to scroll that forever and ever list of V4 morphs we had to inject all the time.  :-)

@ McG: read all the way through and you find the to answer your question.
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: McGrandpa on October 06, 2019, 04:24:58 AM
Argh!  I'm sleepy frazzle brained.  Have to do it again later today when I get up.  (plop!)

zzzzzzzzzz                zzzzzzzzzzzzz       
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: OFW on October 06, 2019, 09:08:29 AM
Argh!  I'm sleepy frazzle brained.  Have to do it again later today when I get up.  (plop!)

zzzzzzzzzz                zzzzzzzzzzzzz       

You wrote that just as I was waking up, McG!  If the character has a complicated morph system (ie..not just a morph++ morph applied) have a notepad handy so you can jot down the necessary morphs that are not behaving, to copy over. 

Now, I tried to use this same process on M4 when I did my Phantom render and it did NOT work the same way.  Maybe it was the mesh...the old Daz M4 tux...but unfortunately, I couldn't find a good alternative anywhere...so I worked with what I had and changed camera angels to compensate for the unwillingness of the clothing to behave.  Anyone else have any issues with M4?
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: sidherose on October 06, 2019, 09:35:50 AM
You wrote that just as I was waking up, McG!  If the character has a complicated morph system (ie..not just a morph++ morph applied) have a notepad handy so you can jot down the necessary morphs that are not behaving, to copy over. 

Now, I tried to use this same process on M4 when I did my Phantom render and it did NOT work the same way.  Maybe it was the mesh...the old Daz M4 tux...but unfortunately, I couldn't find a good alternative anywhere...so I worked with what I had and changed camera angels to compensate for the unwillingness of the clothing to behave.  Anyone else have any issues with M4?


Actually, I dragged M4 out last night and started doing the fitting thing. I used BO Vortex. I did have to turn his thighs invisible as right on the inside thigh and outside thigh there were still pokies but thats okay. The rest of it fit fine.
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: OFW on October 06, 2019, 10:00:50 AM

Actually, I dragged M4 out last night and started doing the fitting thing. I used BO Vortex. I did have to turn his thighs invisible as right on the inside thigh and outside thigh there were still pokies but thats okay. The rest of it fit fine.
I'm thinking this might have more to do with the mesh as it was only the shirt that wouldn't behave.  it blew out the vest and jacket, so I ended up just taking the vest off and turning the abs off of the shirt to get it to even look half way decent.  Wish there was another tux out there as my wedding texture set just isn't complete without the groom LOL and if the tux isn't going to behave properly, there is no sense in reworking the textures.  Already the shoe textures seem to be missing, so, maybe we drop the bundle and just sell the wedding dress textures, as I believe Powerage's dresses still work well.
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: sidherose on October 06, 2019, 10:17:42 AM
I'm thinking this might have more to do with the mesh as it was only the shirt that wouldn't behave.  it blew out the vest and jacket, so I ended up just taking the vest off and turning the abs off of the shirt to get it to even look half way decent.  Wish there was another tux out there as my wedding texture set just isn't complete without the groom LOL and if the tux isn't going to behave properly, there is no sense in reworking the textures.  Already the shoe textures seem to be missing, so, maybe we drop the bundle and just sell the wedding dress textures, as I believe Powerage's dresses still work well.

I never have been able to get that tux set to work right but my guys tend to be a little more 'beefy'... because...you know, that's what I like. There's a few of them in that period - like The Prince, that seem built for someone like Marlboro Man - tall and skinny. I think you're right regarding the mesh there. The dresses are fine! :smile:
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: sidherose on October 06, 2019, 10:35:54 AM
Well, hold up on getting rid of Tux there, OFW. I just got it to work on Nick, Djinn's brother who is built a lot like Djinn, more on the wiry muscular side than beefy. I left everything checked on the Body with him.

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Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: sidherose on October 06, 2019, 11:12:18 AM
If you uncheck Body and then re-check it then everything gets checked all the way down. And that's generally what I'll do. It doesn't seem to affect the calculation period when you drag and drop the item onto the character or run up the RAM. I can't say for other machines that aren't mine, however. 

The reason *I* do that is because not all figures are all just one type of Morph ++, like Voluptuous, or Body Builder. They're combinations and I know that because that's what I do.
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: OFW on October 07, 2019, 06:02:59 PM
If you uncheck Body and then re-check it then everything gets checked all the way down. And that's generally what I'll do. It doesn't seem to affect the calculation period when you drag and drop the item onto the character or run up the RAM. I can't say for other machines that aren't mine, however. 

The reason *I* do that is because not all figures are all just one type of Morph ++, like Voluptuous, or Body Builder. They're combinations and I know that because that's what I do.

Hrmmmm...go figure...I'll try him again now that I've done another update (dated 10-3 but still the same release number)  Maybe it was just a freakish thing.  On a the same tune but another note, my husband was using my old tower to set up a server for the house this weekend and pulled on old hard drive he had in his computer.  There was an entire block of the hard drive that had a bunch of my old stuff on it, including my original files for the entire Wedding Extravaganza.  Reworking the textures just got a whole lot easier and if his tux is going to behave, then it will be a complete set!
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: OFW on October 07, 2019, 07:11:19 PM
Ok it worked stunningly well with Bleid-not sure what happened with the Phantom :shrug: So I'm off to start reworking textures

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Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: sidherose on October 07, 2019, 07:24:41 PM
Hrmmmm...go figure...I'll try him again now that I've done another update (dated 10-3 but still the same release number)  Maybe it was just a freakish thing.  On a the same tune but another note, my husband was using my old tower to set up a server for the house this weekend and pulled on old hard drive he had in his computer.  There was an entire block of the hard drive that had a bunch of my old stuff on it, including my original files for the entire Wedding Extravaganza.  Reworking the textures just got a whole lot easier and if his tux is going to behave, then it will be a complete set!

Yay! I wanted you to see it DID work so you didn't give up on it, because it is a very nice set and a lot of work for all that, I'm sure!

That's excellent that your husband found your stuff on the hard drive! :happydance:!
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: sidherose on October 07, 2019, 07:26:06 PM
Ok it worked stunningly well with Bleid-not sure what happened with the Phantom :shrug: So I'm off to start reworking textures

Awesome! :smiley: Good to see/hear :thumb_up:
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: McGrandpa on October 08, 2019, 07:48:49 AM
You wrote that just as I was waking up, McG!  If the character has a complicated morph system (ie..not just a morph++ morph applied) have a notepad handy so you can jot down the necessary morphs that are not behaving, to copy over. 

Now, I tried to use this same process on M4 when I did my Phantom render and it did NOT work the same way.  Maybe it was the mesh...the old Daz M4 tux...but unfortunately, I couldn't find a good alternative anywhere...so I worked with what I had and changed camera angels to compensate for the unwillingness of the clothing to behave.  Anyone else have any issues with M4?

All my Gen 4's I use now always have all the DAZ produced morph sets loaded.   Thats a whole lot of morph packs for V4, and only two less for M4, then K4 still has Base, ++ and Toddler.  Yeah so its the whole "complex" Figure/morph system.   
So I've seen two sure ways to "Load Morphs" to the conforming items.   1) Menu>Figure>Copy Morphs From   2)Clothing>BODY>Properties tab top 4 "When Conforming:" menu items.  The very first one is Copy Morphs.  :) 
Most of the time, this little Properties Menu works great.   Like when using 3D-Age's clothing items, just about every one of the 84 clothing items (that I own!) conform perfectly WITHOUT having to run Morphing Clothes on the item like I had to in old Poser Pro (7).  Cause its built in to Poser now! 

[[Yaaay Ralf Sesseler!  (R.I.P. old Genius, you are truly appreciated by this old man.)]]

I am guessing y'all are saying its clothing like 3D-Ages that has well made meshes and morphs?  Am I right in that the morphs are saved mesh chunks that have been morphed through multiple ranges?   



[yucky mushy stuff below - read at your own risk!]

I really should take up mesh modeling as a hobby now.  I mean how many years have I had the tools and JUST use Poser to play with all these fantabulous 3D toys?!!?!!    I guess its Posers ease of use (FOR ME!) and sheer enjoyment I get from seeing the "instant gratification" of a 1 minute render even on MY old machine that's kept me enthralled all these years.   Most of the time, just this aspect has been terrific!   And now  if something don't fit right I hit it with the Morph BRUSH in the Pose room.  For little things, this tool is Da BOMB y'all! 
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: McGrandpa on October 08, 2019, 07:53:25 AM
Now that's a very real treat finding "lost stuff" on another machines HD!   Good Job there! 


(its why I still keep my OLD spinner HD's that flew off to Neverland and took lots of my stuff with them.  I keep hoping I can see them come back to life long enough to salvage some old things!)

Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: sidherose on October 08, 2019, 09:24:07 AM


I really should take up mesh modeling as a hobby now.  I mean how many years have I had the tools and JUST use Poser to play with all these fantabulous 3D toys?!!?!!    I guess its Posers ease of use (FOR ME!) and sheer enjoyment I get from seeing the "instant gratification" of a 1 minute render even on MY old machine that's kept me enthralled all these years.   Most of the time, just this aspect has been terrific!   And now  if something don't fit right I hit it with the Morph BRUSH in the Pose room.  For little things, this tool is Da BOMB y'all!

Any time anyone models ANYthing, like in Z-Brush or Blender or Marvelous Clothing Designer, a mesh is created. Anytime you model/build something a mesh is created. It's just modeling.

Do you know how to see the mesh?

There is a group of globes at the bottom of the left side of your Poser that says Document Display Style. That's how you can see the meshes. Click on any of these to see the mesh. These are not new. They've always been there.

Document Display Style
Wireframe
Hidden Line
Lit Wireframe
Flat Lined
Smooth Lined
Go back to: Texture Shaded

Wireframe = mesh
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: McGrandpa on October 08, 2019, 10:53:50 AM
@ McG: read all the way through and you find the to answer your question.

I did read through all morning, and still find that PP 11.2 does not work with *some* V4 clothing items and PP 2014 does, or at least did last time I ran it. 

Concerning the morphs that come WITH the clothing.   SOME vendors just don't *DO* morphs beyond what DAZ requires to publish the items in their store.   Obviously, that leaves out everything at Renderosity and every other place that sells conforming stuff for the Gen 4 bunch.   I assume that Rendo has pretty sharp standards for all vendors as everything I've bought there DOES have a high quality mesh and high quality morphs.    I will say 3D-Age, Hongyu, Rhiannon and Val3DArt make some of the best V4 items I've bought anywhere.    Some of the worst for fitting has come from DAZ store.   There are vendors there I simply stopped buying from because they will ONLY create a short list of Morphs++ FBM's, and make NO PBM's!  While many things with our tools have changed the last dozen years, the four I just mentioned have been making clothing for V4 since it came out and have consistently offered great fitting items the whole way.    There are of course many really good content makers I could add to that group.    Those are just a few of my top faves.

So here I was complaining about a couple OLD items by Val3DART that really didn't work well with morphs outside Morphs++.  At the time, that WAS the major morph pack to go with the Base.  Elite came close to Aiko4, but a while after ++.   Girl4 was one of the last sets they made, Stephanie 4 Elite and Reby Sky were the last ones.   So, adding in here I have gone back and downloaded those old items and THEY HAVE BEEN UPDATED!   NOW they have all the morphs and work well with my dialed in Ash 09G body morph for V4!  She's just so sexy!   :D

When GENESIS was thrust onto the testing group *ALL* work on the LAST "fix set" morph pack for V4 was abandoned totally.   That really made me angry.  And not just me.  DAZ had no problem filling those gaps with fresh names to slap the ol vertices around. 

BUT, as Life would have it that was in 2013 and I had to leave off a lot of stuff to pursue my Big C treatments.   When I finally got going again the whole world was different.   And, it still is different!   Its way better, sweeter air, water, everything.  And some cool folks have produced a bunch of great "fix morphs" sets for V4.   So, nothing was really lost yaknow?  :) 

RAY:  I will continue tinkering on the issues in PP 11.2, ok?   Right now there still are some vendors things that will NOT work with my favorite little dialed morph character and cannot be adjusted because their mesh just won't deal with it.   IF I go back into my character and zero some dozen dials THEN the clothes act perfectly. 
That's just disgusting.   I am making the appropriate face, can y'all see it?   :sure:    NOTE:  that one didn't work in PP 2014 either!

 BUT, I do see the tools and have used them and see they actually WORK.  Wow!   Even if the Menu version is more time consuming, it still offers the ability to use an item that isn't quite behaving without manually copying a morph over.  And you are just determined you gonna use THAT item or bust!

So.  WE are cruising with the AC set to "Totally Comfortable!" and we be cool now.   :yippee: :shock: :smile:


Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: McGrandpa on October 08, 2019, 11:12:56 AM
Yes Ray, I do know the Style Widgets, and you can set that for all 3 groups right there in the little dockable panel too.  :) 

I am quite familiar with what a mesh is.   The "MESH" is seen in 3D space.  In a FILE, such as an .OBJ file, it is simply a list of numbers that are the factual numerical presentation of the vertices coordinates.   Various programs use proprietary "formats" that work in their software, but not so likely any others.

I was playing with low poly mesh models for gaming long before falling headfirst into DAZ3D.  Ha!  Took me a whole two years of reading forums all over the place to finally get to where I HAD to ask a question.   It was for the functions of the various file types Poser sees.   WHICH marks the first time someone directed my nose to the Readme.txt file.   Then to the Menu>Help>Users Manual.   Oh right I'd just bought Poser 6 and found the file system quite different from DS which I'd used the previous two or three years.
Poser USED to adhere strictly to its rigid hierarchy.   It appears it can, but does not have to any more.   HENCE some DS users *MIGHT* just stampede over to Poser since their pet peeve has been dealt with.  But they might not know this?
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: sidherose on October 08, 2019, 12:15:21 PM
I just never heard anyone call it 'mesh modeling'. It's just modeling. Even if you know about the Style widgets, it's there for those who don't know about it - just in case.

I have to wonder why ReadMe.txt files are always ignored. They often have important information in them. That's why they're called what they are.

I don't get what you're saying here:

Poser USED to adhere strictly to its rigid hierarchy.   It appears it can, but does not have to any more.   HENCE some DS users *MIGHT* just stampede over to Poser since their pet peeve has been dealt with.  But they might not know this?


There were no program changes made in 11.2. None. There's no 'fixed now'. It was all about moving it to Bondware, from Smith-Micro. They state that on their pages about 11.2 on Rendo.
It still does adhere to it's hierarchy. It wouldn't work right if it didn't.
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: McGrandpa on October 08, 2019, 12:50:44 PM
I just never heard anyone call it 'mesh modeling'. It's just modeling. Even if you know about the Style widgets, it's there for those who don't know about it - just in case.

Sure, no worries!

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I have to wonder why ReadMe.txt files are always ignored. They often have important information in them. That's why they're called what they are.

I usually read or at least skim thru readme's.   But that I had to be told to look in Posers Menu>Help for the User Manual was really bad on my part.   So I sure ain't perfect, I miss stuff too!

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I don't get what you're saying here:

Poser USED to adhere strictly to its rigid hierarchy.   It appears it can, but does not have to any more.   HENCE some DS users *MIGHT* just stampede over to Poser since their pet peeve has been dealt with.  But they might not know this?
Hang on, it's coming!  ;)
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There were no program changes made in 11.2. None. There's no 'fixed now'. It was all about moving it to Bondware, from Smith-Micro. They state that on their pages about 11.2 on Rendo.
It still does adhere to it's hierarchy. It wouldn't work right if it didn't.

Cause I downloaded some little freebie from ShareCG a couple weeks ago, and though it was for DS, the author also included Poser files even though the file tree was laid out Studio style.   SO.

In Runtime/Libraries/Character was the Figure item, of course.  THEN in DS fashion, in /Character was MATERIALS/xyz.mc6 stuff.  UNDER CHARACTER, ok?   And I watched it WORK in PP 11.2.   Didn't even try it to know it in any other version prior to this. 
There 'tis!   In Poser 6, 7 and Pro(7) that wouldn't have worked if the materials are left right there, would it? 
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: McGrandpa on October 08, 2019, 12:56:57 PM
Ray, that the Runtime/Libraries/Character/Materials contents worked surprised the heck outta me.  Worse, that the /Character/Pose/(poses stuff) also worked had me freeze in place a moment, then go look to make sure I was really seeing what I was seeing.   I was.   I thought back long and hard and cannot recall ever seeing that happen before.
So.  SOMEWHERE along the line, in SOME Poser version, that got  "fixed"  (as DS users would say it's broke!).
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: McGrandpa on October 08, 2019, 01:02:25 PM
Mesh modeling ergo poly(gon)s versus Nurbs modeling, for instance?  I know there are others, but I am familiar with mesh modelers only.  So, Modo, ZBrush, Carrara, Wings3D, Hexagon, MilkShape3D, Lightwave are all mesh modelers.   Rhino is a nurbs modeler.  For instance.   So. 
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: Glitterati3D on October 08, 2019, 01:35:18 PM
Ray, that the Runtime/Libraries/Character/Materials contents worked surprised the heck outta me.  Worse, that the /Character/Pose/(poses stuff) also worked had me freeze in place a moment, then go look to make sure I was really seeing what I was seeing.   I was.   I thought back long and hard and cannot recall ever seeing that happen before.
So.  SOMEWHERE along the line, in SOME Poser version, that got  "fixed"  (as DS users would say it's broke!).
Beginning with Poser 8, you can set up your runtime anyway you like.
I never, ever hop all over my libraries for stuff - that was always my pet peeve about Poser/DS.......clothes in this folder, fabrics in another one, poses in yet another, shoes in the next one, etc.  My runtime is set up so that all pieces to a set are stored together in one folder, with subfolders within it.  So, yes, in Character, I have the clothes.  But also in Character>Clothing name I have subfolders for Materials, Props, Poses anything unique to that set.  I just find that setup more sensible.  As long as the creator is using dynamic runtime references, it works just fine.  The only thing that won't work without changes to the files is the Geometry and Textures folders.  Those should remain where the creator put them to avoid "can't find" Poser callouts.  But, since those are not "customer facing" files, there's no reason not to just leave them be.

Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: sidherose on October 08, 2019, 02:18:57 PM
Heh...I don't know if this will help but I'm going to say it and maybe it will bring in some clarity - or not :shrug:

In Libraries > Materials are where you create your textures - say for V4 - A character named Susie. Those textures would be mc.6 files and they would be her skins, makeups, eyes, nails and whatever else. That is where Poser created textures were kept originally, as mc.6 files. if they are zipped files, then they're .mcz files. Anything like pure cloth/material texture sets like Parrotdolphin's or Atenais's cloth textures will stay as .mc6 files in the Materials library folder. This is the original 'Poser way' of doing it.

However, DAZ decided to put them into the Libraries > Pose directory. To do that so they work there, you have to turn them into .pz2 files first and move them from the Materials Library to the Pose Library. It works but that is not the way Poser was originally set up to do. That's 'the DAZ way'. 

There was another Materials folder in the Runtime in P5, I know, but that never had anything in it, which I suppose is why it got done away with. I don't know what that was for.

Seems like there are Geometries that do have texture files in with them but they are there to apply upon loading the item - usually a prop.

Like G3D said, there are some files you can change their location - like texture sets for outfits can be put in with the original outfit textures in Pose library and it doesn't hurt because those are not the files to be fetched. They are the fetcher files and inside those are links to the Textures folder so you don't change the names on the textures folders unless you want to go into all the files and change all the links in those fetchers that point to them. Same with a character that could be named anything you want, but you can't change the location of the Geometries files or their names because the character files are pointing in a specific place to fetch them.
 
Does that apply to what you're talking about? or make sense?
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: Jherrith on October 11, 2019, 01:42:46 PM
What the Flying :rat-atat: is going on here, opened Poser up and it says I must have an active internet connection to "renew my lease"

Excuse me I own this program since when did it become a leased product?
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: Aelin on October 11, 2019, 01:52:51 PM
What the Flying :rat-atat: is going on here, opened Poser up and it says I must have an active internet connection to "renew my lease"

Excuse me I own this program since when did it become a leased product?
I took Poser 11.2, like most of people I think now.
Yesterday, I wanted to work offline on the comp with Poser. Had the same kind of word. Had to connect just to open the program. Sound completely stupid for me, like I opened it several times when I was taking the stuff on the Poser site. The site had enough time to know what was my comp; and I don't like the idea to have to open my web connection each time I want to work with Poser. I can't have internet each time for some personal reasons.

And I always don't understand the point to receive a newsletter talking to me of 21 days trial, when we must have the Pro version like we already owned Poser.
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: Jherrith on October 11, 2019, 03:39:15 PM
Once I got it opened I unplugged the internet and it works just fine.

The only thing I can think of is that the system rebooted today so it forgot, but the still doesn't change the fact that it said "lease"  and I own it.
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: OFW on October 11, 2019, 03:44:42 PM
Once I got it opened I unplugged the internet and it works just fine.

The only thing I can think of is that the system rebooted today so it forgot, but the still doesn't change the fact that it said "lease"  and I own it.

I wonder if they intend to go down the path of Adobe, Microsoft and so many more, so that future releases will be on a "subscription" basis instead of being able to just upgrade, or not, depending on your financial situation. 

At this point I've thrown DAZ totally out of the window, I can't even get the darned program to run...the CMS won't load properly, no matter how I try to install it...PFFFFTTTT.....So if Rendo decides they are going the subscription model, particularly after what they did to me already, then I am DONE, DONE DONE
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: Aelin on October 11, 2019, 04:12:22 PM
OFW, haven't you keep aside the old Daz Studio 3? Because, even if it's a bit out of date I continue to work with it. If DS4 wasn't always taking in count the most tiny move in the scene to recalculate the whole scene immediately, then I could use better that software.

I like to play with Poser, but I can't on the machine (W10) I'm using most of time. It's complicated to be often on my W8.1 alas.

Also, I'm not sure, but maybe older Poser versions are always working?
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: OFW on October 11, 2019, 04:17:18 PM
Aelin, my sweet, precious, friend, all of my old hard drives were trashed.  I only salvaged a small bit of stuff off of my last drive.  So no, I don't have any old install files :(  If only!
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: Aelin on October 11, 2019, 04:22:45 PM
Aelin, my sweet, precious, friend, all of my old hard drives were trashed.  I only salvaged a small bit of stuff off of my last drive.  So no, I don't have any old install files :(  If only!
I'm sorry to hear that :sigh:
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: FrahHawk on October 11, 2019, 06:34:08 PM
I wonder if they intend to go down the path of Adobe, Microsoft and so many more, so that future releases will be on a "subscription" basis instead of being able to just upgrade, or not, depending on your financial situation. 

At this point I've thrown DAZ totally out of the window, I can't even get the darned program to run...the CMS won't load properly, no matter how I try to install it...PFFFFTTTT.....So if Rendo decides they are going the subscription model, particularly after what they did to me already, then I am DONE, DONE DONE


Some of our early adopters have expressed the exact same sentiment regarding subscription. From the top "There is no plan to change the business model of Poser to subscription." There you go straight from the horse's mouth. No need to panic or worry.   :noway:
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: Radkres on October 11, 2019, 06:38:34 PM
I Have the DAZ Studio 4.7.0.12 64 bit and the 4.8.0.59 64 bit if You want them?

Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: OFW on October 11, 2019, 07:52:00 PM

Some of our early adopters have expressed the exact same sentiment regarding subscription. From the top "There is no plan to change the business model of Poser to subscription." There you go straight from the horse's mouth. No need to panic or worry.   :noway:

I was just pondering, considering the message "J" got earlier.  I certainly hope not.  I just got myself situated with the Substance suite.  As is, I'm going to be working with legacy and Poser characters only, as I can not even get the G3/G8 stuff I bought into Daz so it can be exported. 

I Have the DAZ Studio 4.7.0.12 64 bit and the 4.8.0.59 64 bit if You want them?



Daz 4.anything requires the CMS and that's where I'm running into a problem.  I've tried manually installing the PostqreSQL, I've tried installing it through the DIM, I've tried changing the port numbers...I've done everything I can find with no luck. 

It is what it is.  As long as Poser isn't going subscription based, I'll be fine. 
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: McGrandpa on October 15, 2019, 02:07:41 PM
I have a couple versions of DS installed, for emergency conversions and the like.  I do NOT have that blasted "CMS" and the other damnable thingie installed at all.   They work ok with the OLD file system, actually.   The one i cut me teeth on frankly.
Need an older DS version installer files?   I can start at ds 0.9.7.8 ?   DS 1.3, 5, 7, 8 ??  or DS 2.nn(13 versions), or DS 3.0 'regular', not Advanced (Paid), then there is 4.0 up thru 4.20.   Yeah, thats a bunch of em.   Is it even legal to send out those files?   I dunno!   If it ain't, then I can't send.  Oops.   but, these are for a FREE program?   Hmmm.
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: McGrandpa on October 15, 2019, 02:35:46 PM
Heh...I don't know if this will help but I'm going to say it and maybe it will bring in some clarity - or not :shrug:

In Libraries > Materials are where you create your textures - say for V4 - A character named Susie. Those textures would be mc.6 files and they would be her skins, makeups, eyes, nails and whatever else. That is where Poser created textures were kept originally, as mc.6 files. if they are zipped files, then they're .mcz files. Anything like pure cloth/material texture sets like Parrotdolphin's or Atenais's cloth textures will stay as .mc6 files in the Materials library folder. This is the original 'Poser way' of doing it.

However, DAZ decided to put them into the Libraries > Pose directory. To do that so they work there, you have to turn them into .pz2 files first and move them from the Materials Library to the Pose Library. It works but that is not the way Poser was originally set up to do. That's 'the DAZ way'. 

There was another Materials folder in the Runtime in P5, I know, but that never had anything in it, which I suppose is why it got done away with. I don't know what that was for.

Seems like there are Geometries that do have texture files in with them but they are there to apply upon loading the item - usually a prop.

Like G3D said, there are some files you can change their location - like texture sets for outfits can be put in with the original outfit textures in Pose library and it doesn't hurt because those are not the files to be fetched. They are the fetcher files and inside those are links to the Textures folder so you don't change the names on the textures folders unless you want to go into all the files and change all the links in those fetchers that point to them. Same with a character that could be named anything you want, but you can't change the location of the Geometries files or their names because the character files are pointing in a specific place to fetch them.
 
Does that apply to what you're talking about? or make sense?

Yeah it makes sense, between the two of you it does.   I 'get' the DAZ interruptus part.   Twice.   Also it was DAZ that instituted the !DAZ folder in "Libraries", a fatal error if there ever was one.  and it was DAZ high ups that told ALL the VENDORS to put their own private *VANITY* folders where ever the F they wanted to.   So, someone has been trying to kill Poser for a very long time.
Well hey, that carp made me mad and I went on two different tirades over at DAZ.   ONE, got the vanity folder issue killed.  As some vendor, dunno which, started up using a new (then) Libraries\Morphs\nnn folder.  cool.  next was the No MORPHS Made For The Clothes!   Ralf Sesseler to the rescue with Morphing Clothes.   MY answer to all the vendors dodging their responsibility to the paying customer?   Screw em.   

Anywho, issue solved!  Thanks!
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: OFW on October 15, 2019, 03:54:03 PM
I have a couple versions of DS installed, for emergency conversions and the like.  I do NOT have that blasted "CMS" and the other damnable thingie installed at all.   They work ok with the OLD file system, actually.   The one i cut me teeth on frankly.
Need an older DS version installer files?   I can start at ds 0.9.7.8 ?   DS 1.3, 5, 7, 8 ??  or DS 2.nn(13 versions), or DS 3.0 'regular', not Advanced (Paid), then there is 4.0 up thru 4.20.   Yeah, thats a bunch of em.   Is it even legal to send out those files?   I dunno!   If it ain't, then I can't send.  Oops.   but, these are for a FREE program?   Hmmm.


hehe yeah, we've been having this whole conversation in the background.  I'm still working on reinstalling programs after I had to do a factory reset this weekend, but I'll know shortly if DAZ is going to play nice, now...if not, I'm covered on several fronts, but I thank you for your offer! 
I've got s/n's going back to 2.*  Missed the first two iterations, but I have been in the game awhile.  Just don't have any installers.  I got smart this time and everything is going on externals that are dedicated solely to the task of holding my 3D software, install files and runtimes.
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: McGrandpa on October 18, 2019, 04:44:12 AM
Well there ya GO!   Yeah, I had to learn the hard way, the whole nine yards!   LOL!
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: McGrandpa on October 24, 2019, 10:44:58 AM
I don't have the first DS I ever downloaded, in 2004.  But I used that, learning stuff as I went in alt.binaries.3d.poser.   Then, in 2006, I broke down and bought Poser 5, but what they sent when I downloaded it was the brand new Poser 6.   Well that was fine with me!  Free instant upgrade eh!   LOL!
It crashed often on my system, so I was still using DS a lot at the same time.   Later, there were system upgrades, etc.  Things got much better over time.   No worries.  :o)

Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: OFW on November 02, 2019, 04:38:40 AM
Hi everyone, I'm a long term Poser user and loved PP14.  Just a little background - I am now using a Mac and decided today to bite the bullet and purchase the full copy of PP11.2 for Mac. Installed OK but I've been struggling all afternoon with a couple of things.
1) Previously I had all my runtime on an external drive. With the licenced download given me after my purchase I wanted to put it into my external drive (newly set up for my mac), I have my runtimes separate, eg horse, V4, dragons, etc.
I named the external Poser, and the tree for horse (for example) is Runtime Horse/Runtime/Hivewire Horse/ and under that I have the folders geometries, libraries, etc. I downloaded to a temporary folder and copied and pasted everything accordingly.
When I went into Poser and clicked 'add library' it wouldn't find it, says the runtime is incorrectly named and no matter what different combinations I used - same result.
I'm sure it is an easy fix but maybe my nose is too close and I can't see.
Would any of you kind people be able to help me please.
Also I'm fairly new to Mac OS whereas with windows I could go in anywhere and manipulate to my own desire.

Been awhile since I used my MAC to try and run Poser and Mary might be able to answer this better, but I suspect that because your original external was formatted for windows, you MAC cannot read it.  Rather than being a Poser issue, this is most likely an operating system incompatibility issue.  If that is the case, unfortunately, your only option is to redownload all of your files and reset them up on externals that have been formatted for MAC OS.
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: parkdalegardener on November 02, 2019, 05:37:56 AM
Hi everyone, I'm a long term Poser user and loved PP14.  Just a little background - I am now using a Mac and decided today to bite the bullet and purchase the full copy of PP11.2 for Mac. Installed OK but I've been struggling all afternoon with a couple of things.
1) Previously I had all my runtime on an external drive. With the licenced download given me after my purchase I wanted to put it into my external drive (newly set up for my mac), I have my runtimes separate, eg horse, V4, dragons, etc.
I named the external Poser, and the tree for horse (for example) is Runtime Horse/Runtime/Hivewire Horse/ and under that I have the folders geometries, libraries, etc. I downloaded to a temporary folder and copied and pasted everything accordingly.
When I went into Poser and clicked 'add library' it wouldn't find it, says the runtime is incorrectly named and no matter what different combinations I used - same result.
I'm sure it is an easy fix but maybe my nose is too close and I can't see.
Would any of you kind people be able to help me please.
Also I'm fairly new to Mac OS whereas with windows I could go in anywhere and manipulate to my own desire.

File paths are messed up according to " Runtime Horse/Runtime/Hivewire Horse/ and under that I have the folders geometries, libraries, etc. I downloaded to a temporary folder and copied and pasted everything accordingly."


Should be "Hivewire Horse/Runtime/geometries,textures et al" Point Poser at "Hivewire Horse" and it will add the runtime and all it's components.

File structure is "Your Category Name/Runtime/Support Files" where you point Poser's library at "Your Category Name".
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: OFW on November 02, 2019, 07:28:00 AM
Firstly to OFW, thank you so much for your reply and helping me out. I had already formatted this external to Mac OS but until I read PDG's reply I was going to reformat it again just in case that was the problem however PDG has put me on the right path.


PDG thank you so much, I amended my file path as you suggested and the horse opened in Poser so this is a great start, tomorrow when I start again I hope it will sort itself out, I'm just too tired to try it out right now. I hope I can sort out my other folders to suit, eg hair, dragons, V4, etc, but if I can't - I will be baaack lol.


 :yawn2:

Was very early and on my first cup of coffee, so I guess I missed that you were using the file paths that started with runtime.  Of course that is going to cause issues :winks:  My brain caught MAC OS and my immediate thought was an incompatible OS. :shrug:  Glad PDG was able to put you on the right path!
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: parkdalegardener on November 02, 2019, 10:01:32 AM
Firstly to OFW, thank you so much for your reply and helping me out. I had already formatted this external to Mac OS but until I read PDG's reply I was going to reformat it again just in case that was the problem however PDG has put me on the right path.


PDG thank you so much, I amended my file path as you suggested and the horse opened in Poser so this is a great start, tomorrow when I start again I hope it will sort itself out, I'm just too tired to try it out right now. I hope I can sort out my other folders to suit, eg hair, dragons, V4, etc, but if I can't - I will be baaack lol.


 :yawn2:
File structure is always the same since Poser 1.


Category Name->Runtime->Libraries

Category name is one of your choice. That is what you add to Poser's library with the little + symbol.
Runtime is required to be the first directory underneath Category.

Libraries are the Props, Materials, Geometries ect. folders and sit under Runtime. Any missing Library folders will be created by Poser automatically in the Runtime directory/folder. I forget which word is used on Macs.


example:
V4 Dresses -> Runtime -> Geometries
                                   -> Figures
                                   -> Materials

Add V4 Dresses to your library with the + sign and every V4 dress installed into the V4 Dresses runtime using the structure shown will show up in that category in your library.
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: OFW on November 03, 2019, 03:39:14 AM
Thanks again OFW and PDG. It's been a couple of years since I last opened my PP2014 and I was relying on my gappy memory, plus the fact that I'm learning about the Mac OS still that I had it wrong.
I haven't looked at it since last night but I was able to get the hivewire horse to open so that's a start, so it is reading my external fine.
I've been out of the rendering game for so long that I'm really rusty and I've been reading through this thread, some of what has been written has gone right over my head lol but small steps.
I'm also downloading the program to my windows 10 laptop so I should be able to plug in my windows external with all it's old content and see what happens. With my Mac I intend to go through my purchases at Rendo and Daz and download some content, V4 and morphs might be a problem though.


Thanks once more for your help and when I'm struggling again I will put up my hand.
 :ty04:
Don't feel bad, Jenne, I was out of the game for a few years, myself.  It's taken me a bit to get reacclimated but you'll get there.  There are a few changes with PP11 but nothing that you won't be able to figure out pretty quickly. One of the things that I actually find to be nice is that Andi is gone and a real figure that can be worked with is loaded in out of the box, as it were. 
Vicky's morphs should work just fine in PP11.  We did have some minor issues with some of the clothing not conforming and morphing appropriately, but if you run into that issue, read through the thread as solutions were found that work pretty well.
Good luck, have fun and let us know if you run into any problems.  :havesum:
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: McGrandpa on November 05, 2019, 07:59:40 AM
File structure is always the same since Poser 1.


Category Name->Runtime->Libraries

Category name is one of your choice. That is what you add to Poser's library with the little + symbol.
Runtime is required to be the first directory underneath Category.

Libraries are the Props, Materials, Geometries ect. folders and sit under Runtime. Any missing Library folders will be created by Poser automatically in the Runtime directory/folder. I forget which word is used on Macs.


example:
V4 Dresses -> Runtime -> Geometries
                                   -> Figures
                                   -> Materials

Add V4 Dresses to your library with the + sign and every V4 dress installed into the V4 Dresses runtime using the structure shown will show up in that category in your library.


Oh me.   That one went over my head PDG.   I use the standard windows path names.  Oh those are HER category names.   Right.   Materials is in Libraries though.

Also, I think it was PP 2014 I first saw "Scene" added to Libraries.  The Library module also will add .PNG thumbs to anything you save to it with the +  too.   Nifty.   :)

And while it ain't "official", some kind soul DID add "Morphs" to Libraries when using DAZ Figures.   

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Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: McGrandpa on November 05, 2019, 08:08:51 AM
Learned?   Yep, THEY are!   :D


Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: McGrandpa on January 30, 2020, 01:38:22 AM
DSON interpreter for POSER.

i am NOT an insider by any means.   So it is certain that I will be a day late and dollar short for some of the cool stuff goes on in our community.  In spite of the raw seething hatred expressed by SOME folks of a DS persuasion, not ALL are set on killing Poser.   That's nice, real nice in fact.   So, we have that one python tool that can be added up with another oldie by Ralf Sesseler (D3D), eXtended Library, and directly load in lots of different Genesis 3 and Genesis 8 items.   Lululee put a thing together (tut videos!) and put that out at Renderosity for $12.00US.   So, that last was done like over a year ago?  Lululee's readme says June, 2016.     I know I am old and slow, but THAT slow?!   Yup, seeing as I bought it one month after release in 2016.    So I get round to opening up and watching the videos.  Ok, one of her 3 methods of getting DS content directly into Poser sounded downright reasonable to me.
No "hoops" to jump through, really.   Just get DSON installed and working, then install Ralf Sesseler's
"XL - Content Library for Poser".   HE even stated in his PDF you can use it with DSON installed and do exactly what Lululee and I wanted to do.   simply load "DS Only" content right into Poser, and even save it out as Poser content.   WOW.   
So, I tried it.   And even being the klutz I am,  *IT WORKED* !!!   Using just PP 2014 and PP 11.2, it worked.   I am blown away!   :D

Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: McGrandpa on January 30, 2020, 07:28:54 AM
Ewww!   Ran into a snag with Genesis 8.  It seems I don't have everything installed for it yet.   Gotta round all that stuff up and get it in there.   I set up a separate Runtime just for the Gen3 and up stuff, but then installed some stuff to that runtime and some to the original DAZ People runtime.   Even Poser Pro 11 ain't THAT good!  LOL!
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: McGrandpa on February 11, 2020, 07:00:17 AM
I have dropped the PE and G8's for the time  being and gonna play with La Femme and L'Homme for a while.   I do know those work without headaches at least!

Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: McGrandpa on April 13, 2020, 03:29:03 PM
Well now, after a bit of use I find PP 11.3 to be Poser per normal, really.   I have nothing to complain about!
 :woohoo: :coffeemaker:
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: thelufias on April 16, 2020, 02:12:35 PM
I just downloaded all of the files but haven't had time to test anything out yet....But glad to hear that news....
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: Jherrith on April 16, 2020, 03:07:19 PM
Does it still make you have an internet connection every so often?
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: DarkAngel on April 16, 2020, 03:31:51 PM
Everytime I open Pose 11 Pro I get the little window thingy asking if I will allow it to connect to the internet...eventhough it is allowed in firewall...LOL

Does anyone know if I will have trouble in installing P10 2014 onto my daughters laptop? I thought of asking SmithMicro but it at times takes forever for them to get back to me...LOL

I would like to install my 2014 to her laptop but not sure if the installer will work right.
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: Wizzard on April 16, 2020, 03:37:37 PM
as long as the laptop has the memory and storage space, should be no problems.
SM did a good job with the installers.
8 )
Cheers
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: DarkAngel on April 16, 2020, 03:44:25 PM
That is good to hear cause I have them all from 4 to date but not not 7. 6 and  and 9 though did not have the installer that 10 did, they used to send them out as NFR online where all was uploaded then you downloaded them and installed them.

I shall try then cause sharing Poser is sometimes not possible... :iminnocent: thanks
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: Wizzard on April 16, 2020, 03:55:42 PM
With P10, the main programme files have one installer, figures, clothes, animals, etc all had their own. I have 4,7,10 and 11   Metacreations, Curious Labs and Smith Micro (twice) respectively. 8 ) in a pinch, you can install P4 then "upgrade to 10".
Bona fortuna.
Cheers
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: thelufias on April 16, 2020, 03:56:54 PM
I've got all the install discs for Poser 2 if you need them....along with the manual that is the size of a Webster Dictionary...
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: DarkAngel on April 16, 2020, 04:15:53 PM
With P10, the main programme files have one installer, figures, clothes, animals, etc all had their own. I have 4,7,10 and 11   Metacreations, Curious Labs and Smith Micro (twice) respectively. 8 ) in a pinch, you can install P4 then "upgrade to 10".
Bona fortuna.
Cheers

I have P4 on cd for sure and never thought of putting it first then upgrading to 2014.


I've got all the install discs for Poser 2 if you need them....along with the manual that is the size of a Webster Dictionary...

I think I even still have the manual book that came with Poser 4 too, it was heavy for sure.
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: McGrandpa on May 08, 2020, 11:27:20 PM
I entered the Poser world with Poser 6.   then 7, then 7 Pro, then 9, then PP 2014, and now PP 11.  Only ever had the digital files downloads.   IIRC, when Poser asks for proof of upgrade, you need only use the key from the earlier version.   But, does it require verifying that online or not?  I'm not sure at all on that part.
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: Aelin on May 09, 2020, 06:54:44 AM
I don't remember than P10 asked me to check online. Or it was very rare.
P11, when under SM, it asked me time to time.
P11 with Rendo, it's asking me each time I try to open it. Not each month like they pretend it must do. I can't go online each time than their P11 want to go on. So, I have the content (even not ended to take everything), but if I need something, I use it on P10 now.
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: Jherrith on May 09, 2020, 08:12:08 AM
I get asked for an internet connection on Poser 11 Pro when I reboot the system. Since, I never close the program as it is on the other computer I can get away with things like that, because yes if I close Poser then it wants an internet connection.

However, I only wait long enough for it to start then unplug it, since like I mentioned I have two computers that I can use. One for Poser and one for everything else, well plus the other tower upstairs for whatever I want, plus the laptop for my library inventory.
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: thelufias on May 09, 2020, 08:50:20 AM
All I did was download all of the items and stuck with poser 10.....  As sporadic as our net connection has been due to them burying lines and our weather not helping....makes no sense to use it.  I told the girls that and they were happy since they like Poser better then Daz.  Where as I like Daz as does Travis.
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: Jherrith on May 09, 2020, 08:52:54 AM
As mentioned you only need be connected long enough to open the program after that it doesn't require a connection.
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: thelufias on May 09, 2020, 09:04:28 AM
LOL......You have no idea what kind of hell three young girls can raise if they can't get their program going....and if the net is not working here....even for an instant.... :thud:
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: Jherrith on May 09, 2020, 09:29:22 AM
:o_go_on: Yep know absolutely nothing about girls ... young or older
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: thelufias on May 09, 2020, 09:44:03 AM
That's why I always have plenty of Art Supplies.  It keeps them occupied for a while....and then comes the games when they tire of Art.... Monopoly, Sorry, Risk, Uno and others....and when they tire of that...I have their Latch Hook kits here...always...

So far the girls and I have made close to 35 decorative pillows for the Christmas Stocking Project.  Yes, I latch hook.  It's relaxing and I've been doing it since I was a kid.  Grandmas teach you stuff like that....be you a girl or a boy.

She also taught me how to sew and use a sewing machine.  My Mother could not sew so someone had to learn in a family with 5 boys and it also came in handy later in life since the wife and my girls couldn't even thread a needle.  I was the only guy on the block that got a Sewing Machine for Christmas :tearlaugh: :tearlaugh:
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: Jherrith on May 09, 2020, 10:11:19 AM
Ye, Mom taught me many of similar skills as well, can sew a button back on with no problem, thread a needle and perform simple sewing tasks.
Also was taught how to latch hook, crochet and embroidery and then many cooking tasks that keep me out of restaurants since I can cook as good as they do and at least I know what is going into what I cook.
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: thelufias on May 09, 2020, 10:21:39 AM
Yup...great skills to learn when young.  Nowadays if it's not on the net....it's not considered real or needed in the eyes of the younguns....
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: Jherrith on May 09, 2020, 11:06:23 AM
Try to find a whippersnaper that can change a tire on their own :tearlaugh:
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: thelufias on May 09, 2020, 11:13:51 AM
No kidding.....and then some..... :thud:
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: McGrandpa on May 11, 2020, 12:17:21 PM
Saw some evening sit-com/dramady on TV a long time ago, a Dad got his daughter out, stopped their car, and told her it was time she learned how to do something very important but pretty simple with her car.   Change a tire.
They got out, and he spoke instructions, she followed them.   And inside 10 mins, she'd changed the tire and stowed everything back in trunk, ready to go.   She said she'd been dreading that possibility till then. Now, it isn't bad at all. 
I did the same for my 4 kids.  That, and the 'check the hood' things, oil, water, transmission fluid, steering pump fluid, brake fluid and clutch too, if its hydraulic.  And all 4 were happy, even eager, to learn these things about... their own First Car!   Yeah I know, I oughtta be shot and all that.  But hey, they're yer KIDS, ya love em and want em to have a good clean start, right?
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: McGrandpa on May 11, 2020, 12:19:45 PM
hey how often is it a TV show gives you a GOOD idea, huh !??!
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: thelufias on May 11, 2020, 04:23:47 PM
Indeed..... :#1:
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: McGrandpa on July 15, 2020, 05:08:39 PM
Hello PDG!   Got a question for ye.
Located a NICE prop model of a US Navy WWII thru Viet Nam F7F Tigercat, twin engine heavy fighter, night fighter, ground support/attack role.  Cool looking plane.  This model has some highly detailed stuff like a double row 18 cyl Wasp radial engine.   Cockpit instruments.  But being an .obj no rigging came across. 
I wanted to use something in PP 11 to break it into parts, try to rig it a bit.  Never did any of that.But the fella did a great job modeling this prop.  The engines are exquisitely detailed!  Cooling fins, rockers and pushrods, manifolds.  :D
Pretty sure this is that one: SketchFab (https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/grumman-f7f-tigercat-ec4c0eac117c4946be3372edbd24133a)
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: Wizzard on July 15, 2020, 05:51:52 PM
Mc-G, try the grouping tool, load in scaled proper, select the plane, grouping tool, check the top window to see if it's already grouped. near bottom, Spawn Props. *SAVE as scene*.
Delete the "Complete" obj, then connect the parts from the fusalage out, *Rinse Repeat*
Load scene, well.... replace scene. set limits, hide uneeded dials, rename dials if needed.
*Rinse Repeat*
As you can tell I advise saving often and soonest. I spent 19 houres setting up a 39 Packard, opening doors, boot, bonnet,seats move etc...
Power brownout rebooted the computer. lost all that time and effort. Would hate for anyone to go through that.
Cheers and good fortune
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: McGrandpa on July 15, 2020, 06:01:24 PM
Thanks Wiz!  Yeah I know that Save it drill!
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: Wizzard on July 15, 2020, 06:27:15 PM
Cool beans, save on tear time  8 )
Good luck maybe I'll give it a go.
Cheers
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: parkdalegardener on July 15, 2020, 07:02:13 PM
Mc-G, try the grouping tool, load in scaled proper, select the plane, grouping tool, check the top window to see if it's already grouped. near bottom, Spawn Props. *SAVE as scene*.
Delete the "Complete" obj, then connect the parts from the fusalage out, *Rinse Repeat*
Load scene, well.... replace scene. set limits, hide uneeded dials, rename dials if needed.
*Rinse Repeat*
As you can tell I advise saving often and soonest. I spent 19 houres setting up a 39 Packard, opening doors, boot, bonnet,seats move etc...
Power brownout rebooted the computer. lost all that time and effort. Would hate for anyone to go through that.
Cheers and good fortune
Yeppers. Grouping tool is a great thing. Same suggestion as I would give. I would look at the current textures and spawn them off as separate props to give myself a start, then lots of poly picking and a creative use of add/remove group/material. Once everything is back into the groups you want and they are spawned into props head for the hierarchy editor and assemble as necessary. Remove most of the dials and rotations as they are not necessary. Only landing gear and props really need to move. Lots of work and time involved but the grouping tool is your friend.
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: McGrandpa on July 15, 2020, 07:26:43 PM
Hey thanks Wiz and PDG!   Ok, grouping tool it will be.   Time for snoozing a while right now. :coffeemaker:
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: Wizzard on July 15, 2020, 07:35:27 PM
I find hiding rather than removing to be bettre, you never know when you might want a damaged aircraft in the back of an airfield. OOh OOh.... Important note.
If you're going for a figure, never name any part "body" caps or not. it'll save on a lot of stress and remote controlled parametres Like controlling the airlons from BODY, or raising lowering the landing gear with a single dial. Looking at the mesh it appears the canopy lifts then slides back. I could be wrong, it may flip like a Cessna workhorse.
8 )    Cheers
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: McGrandpa on July 15, 2020, 10:35:20 PM
ok as Poser uses that for the actual Figure automatically.   Manually naming something that would besmirch the whole stinkaree right?
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: Wizzard on July 16, 2020, 11:48:56 AM
Right, Poser calls the whole enchilada "BODY", Poser is very fussy about capitalization, But, any form of "body" either gets collapsed or ignored, usually messing things up. For example, RPC's, body circle and centre, being able to select, etc.....
I've had a number of autos and motorcycles that called the main part "body", had pieces fly off, turn and parts looked like an explosion just went off. renamed "body" to Chassis, throughout the file. now they work well, and found a few clutch\brake remotes that were hidden.
Cheers   8 )


Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: McGrandpa on July 23, 2020, 04:26:14 AM
so just leave "body" out of the names, gotcha!   So that's why  I see names like frame, chassis, hull, and then parts names.   even cars have Hull pretty often
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: Wizzard on July 23, 2020, 09:35:14 AM
Not exactly,  MainBody, subBody, whattabody, nobody, all no problem.
but use BODY, Body body bOdY, or any cap variation, then there's a problem.

It's the one time Poser ignores capitolization.  rArm isn't the same as Rarm. but body is the same as BODY. One of those wierd quirks that endears us Poser users.
8 )
Cheers
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: McGrandpa on July 23, 2020, 12:21:54 PM
LOL!  Ok  :O)
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: McGrandpa on September 11, 2020, 05:55:10 AM
And so now, here we are, one year later.  And Bondware is getting ready to release Poser 12!
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: McGrandpa on November 25, 2020, 11:24:12 PM
Ah, the night before Thanksgiving, and I found a new update for Poser 12.   It will upgrade it to 12.0.306.   Several needful fixes are included.   They've fixed the one where it would apply post FX to any render, even FireFly renders, which it is not supposed to apply to at all.   
Anyway, it sure appears that POSER will, per JENN BLAKES flat statement, NEVER work with Genesis content.   Pity that.   I am sure Poser would really flourish with that ability!
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: McGrandpa on April 13, 2021, 01:25:00 PM
ah me.  Poser Pro 11 and Poser 12 *REQUIRE* an internet connection just to run.   Well they do for ME.   Phone Home E.T. I guess.   That one thing leaves me feeling all cold and empty.   I don't have access to interwebs all the time.    Also, Poser 12 does not do DSON or any Genesis stuff at all.   So.  I am back to using just PP 2014 now.    JENN BLAKE and her 'employer' (methinks it is actually DAZ3D) Bondware seem determined to force the market to accept their clearly inferior figures and separate themselves absolutely from the DAZ .duf format and all things Genesis.   Failure and closure is eminent.  Sad.  Very sad.
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: Aelin on April 13, 2021, 01:36:04 PM
Dawn and her family are now part of Poser 11.[I don't remember number version] runtime. Also the Hivewire horse. Ok, there aren't the morphs in addition, but that's already great to have them.
Welcome to the fan club one Poser 10 / PP2014.
I always don't see the point to force an internet connection just to use that program. I didn't updated P11 in its latest version. I didn't updated it's runtime consequently. And I don't care.
All I need is a working Poser, and I make with the good and bad points of the Poser 10 interface on a little screen :shrug:
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: McGrandpa on April 14, 2021, 01:08:00 AM
I set up at least 100 Genesis 2 ladies and a dozen Genesis 2 gents.   I will NOT be forced by an uppity snot nosed schoolgirl to use what SHE wants us to use, even have forced on us.  And give up 40% of what I have already been enjoying use of for years.   Just to use ONE semi-OK  Figure that won't work in PP2014?  Um, nope.   That was a wasted $300-400 investment.  Not going to waste $3,000-4,000 plus the years invested in a GOOD Figure.   I'd rather wipe her snot nose for her.   With a 2 x 4 'tissue' .   Grrrr.Plus they can't even straighten up their screwups with the P12 Library.    I am about to unpin it from the task bar.
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: McGrandpa on April 14, 2021, 01:14:16 AM
ah right, and because P10/2014 use Adobe FLASH...for the Library... the library separates itself from Poser and has to be adjusted every single time its run.  But there is no fixing that.  It was a Smith-Micro problem.  And Bondware will not be made responsible for that.
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: Aelin on April 14, 2021, 06:45:32 AM
ah right, and because P10/2014 use Adobe FLASH...for the Library... the library separates itself from Poser and has to be adjusted every single time its run.  But there is no fixing that.  It was a Smith-Micro problem.  And Bondware will not be made responsible for that.
:yes: That's what I have to do to see the library, to make it floating around my screen. But I can work in peace with P10.
I think I was able to work with the library in a place (and goodly visible) when I had my Vista, but I absolutey don't remember how I did :shrug:
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: Jherrith on April 14, 2021, 08:03:04 AM
:ummm: Maybe I do not understand something here, the only time I need the internet connection is when I restart the program, once it is started I unplug it and go about my business.
Which is why I never shut it down :iminnocent:
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: Aelin on April 14, 2021, 08:13:04 AM
:ummm: Maybe I do not understand something here, the only time I need the internet connection is when I restart the program, once it is started I unplug it and go about my business.
Which is why I never shut it down :iminnocent:
I can't keep pluged forever my laptop with Poser 11, like the battery is died.
I won't ask for a "grace" for 1 full year without the ask by the program to Rendo. Already that the so-called 1 month without a ask was never true...
And I won't turn on my box just to the pleasure of Rendo to see me online. Because when I do Poser, I'm always without internet. I won't start to change my ways for them.

Why their Posers aren't able to understand we are the owners? Poser 10 is able to understand that.
And before Rendo put its nose in Poser 11, I hadn't such problem with P11.
I think their servers are able to identify if a problem comes with a serial used many many times in not the same areas of the world. So no need to know we are online.
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: Radkres on April 14, 2021, 01:45:57 PM

That is why you should Read the User contract cause they changed owner to Lease holder.
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: M-Callahan on April 14, 2021, 09:54:32 PM
Poser 6 still works fine.  Not all that tech put in it to run.  I really like how the directory works in 6 where you click the handle and it comes out and click the handle and it goes back and out of site.  So far my Poser Pro 11 is still working too.  One thing I would like to find out if I can get rid of the dome in it.  All the years I have used Poser and now they put something in it I really don't like. 
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: Wizzard on April 15, 2021, 08:17:15 AM
Mike, set up your preferred opening scene. ground plane not enviro-dome, single light etc. Save as preferred. that should do it. unfortunately Poser demands a ground plane in the scene, even if invisible.  "It's a feature"
Cheers
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: M-Callahan on April 15, 2021, 08:03:02 PM
Mike, set up your preferred opening scene. ground plane not enviro-dome, single light etc. Save as preferred. that should do it. unfortunately Poser demands a ground plane in the scene, even if invisible.  "It's a feature"
Cheers


Thanks Wizzard that worked well. 
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: Wizzard on April 15, 2021, 10:45:22 PM
Anytime Mike, tis an olde Poser3-4 trick  8 )
Cheers
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: McGrandpa on April 17, 2021, 05:45:38 AM
I wonder if P11 will even start without its Phone Home ET?  NOPE!  "UNABLE TO CONTACT TO LICENSE SERVER"
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: McGrandpa on April 17, 2021, 06:01:16 AM
lDang, Poser 12.0.471 started right up with no external connections at all.  PP 2014 did too but we knew that!   OK but Poser 12 is using Python 3 now, which so far kills my ability to use Genesis and Genesis 2 content.  This includes the Daz (genesis) and Daz 2 (Genesis 2) animals that I bought ages ago.  Horse 2, Dog 2, Cat 2 and Big Cats 2.  That's why I  went back to using PP 2014  folks.  Sorry, but if I cannot use all the stuff I paid good money for then I am gonna use programs that let me use it.   
I cannot justify giving up thousands of dollars worth of content just because some little gal wants to smell purdy or something.   Not happening.  No more new posers till they fix THAT deficiency.  The rest are workable, but not that one.   THIS ONE BREAKS IT.
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: thelufias on April 17, 2021, 08:32:46 AM
Their whole purpose for the changes is to make more money Mc-G....

Poser Pro 11 is fine and works great...no need for "New and Unimproved" 

Besides...the girls said NO MORE CHANGES...and they use the programs more then I do of late LOLOL. 
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: McGrandpa on April 18, 2021, 01:06:27 AM
eh?  What girls?               :woohoo:
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: McGrandpa on May 15, 2021, 03:04:24 PM
Poser 12 went to Python 3.  This killed my being able to use about 1/3 of my content, as that is Genesis and Genesis 2 "grade" content.  Humans, props, animals all with the 2 suffix.  PP 11 crashes a LOT trying to use the Genesis 2 stuff even with the best DSON interpreter.   And ADOBE totally messed up the P10/PP 2014 Library by killing its FLASH across the board.  No FLASH will even operate now.  That is damn demonic of them, IMO.  And naturally Bondware isn't gonna do one little thing for this.   
I am sorry folks, I think its time to step away from the "New and Unimproved" stuff being dished out now.   Yep I already bought PP 11 and P12.  So what, PP 2014 still works even though the Library got dorked.This means that PP 11 is the one that will load and work with everything out there through Genesis 2.   Includes La Femme.  Well, guess I better park it back on my task bar then.
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: Jherrith on May 15, 2021, 03:10:47 PM
Glad I went no further then Poser Pro 11
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: Aelin on May 15, 2021, 04:12:55 PM
For Flash, it exists Ruffle to replace it, at least on web. Look on that article
https://www.howtogeek.com/707830/how-to-use-adobe-flash-in-2021-and-beyond/

I don't put the comp with Poser stuff on web so regularly. Last time was maybe at the beginning of 2020. And like I didn't need to update flash, maybe I haven't the kill switch. But as longer as Poser 10 library appears I'm happy.

Nowadays the "improved" programs seem to be "give me the money, I do the contrary of what I promise". Same than politics in fact :shrug:
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: McGrandpa on May 16, 2021, 03:25:35 AM
Ah yes, I see.  I allowed the Adobe check ONE TIME when it threw up that error, hoping that it would go away.  It DID go away and so did Flash.  That's just so sorry of Adobe.  The library does appear but I have to move and size it every time.  Cancelling the error is SO worth keeping that intact!   Just don't let it check for that certificate Aelin!!!!

Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: Aelin on May 16, 2021, 06:45:53 AM
Ah yes, I see.  I allowed the Adobe check ONE TIME when it threw up that error, hoping that it would go away.  It DID go away and so did Flash.  That's just so sorry of Adobe.  The library does appear but I have to move and size it every time.  Cancelling the error is SO worth keeping that intact!   Just don't let it check for that certificate Aelin!!!!
It's what I do for the library too. Or I remove it when I don't need it for a while, then back to look in the Window section to find it. But all that job in more worth the case just to have a working Poser.
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: McGrandpa on May 21, 2021, 05:30:59 AM
Yes it is.   I keep my library open on the left hand monitor, and Poser main program right in front of me.  All 32 inches worth!  LOL!    having 2 screens is a big help.
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: Aelin on May 21, 2021, 06:42:26 AM
I'm sure it's, even if the only one I worked at job on double screen I was lost :thud:
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: McGrandpa on May 27, 2021, 05:12:54 PM
Well.  Then you just use the one, so you don't get lost!  :O)
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: McGrandpa on May 29, 2021, 06:46:32 AM
I just saw (online) a monitor as tall as my 32" but about 4 feet wide!   Now that's a monitor to get lost in!  :o)
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: McGrandpa on June 05, 2021, 07:02:28 AM
Aw man.  IT appears that the direction Poser is going in,
1)  It will always be a phone home ET and require an internet connection to run.    BAD.
2)  It has permanently destroyed my ability to use all DAZ stuff for Genesis/Genesis 2.  Nobody is converting DSON for Poser to Python 3.   BAD
3)  It has fouled up the Library, it does not remember its 'separators' positions  and such.   just a NUISANCETogether, though, Items 1 and 2 are a deal breaker for me.   Unfortunately, I already bought it as an Early Adopter.    See if I ever buy another one, dammit.
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: Jherrith on June 05, 2021, 07:32:45 AM
On point number one yes it is bad, however once it starts. I can unplug the internet connection and we have no further problems unless I restart the program or the computer

Do not use SPAZ or the DSON stuff so N/A for me

So far my library has not suffered any damage.

I am on Poser 11 Pro version 11.3.818


Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: McGrandpa on June 05, 2021, 02:16:27 PM
Cool.  I spent the $$ so I'm gonna keep em.  Poser Pro 11 is OK but it crashes with certain things loaded.  And nobody is ever gonna fix it.  So I can kill the net after it starts.   I will remember that.P12 and no DSON is an issue.   As mentioned, I got a lot of stuff that needs DSON.   But no script I have will work in P12.    Ralf Sesseler, RIP man.   Your particular genius is being sorely missed too!
Meanwhile, BadMoonRYZEN flat out slams through most of my little scenes rendering!  :D  don't matter which Poser I use.   It's quick!
There will be no DS 4+ for any purpose.   I keep DS3.0A as I paid for it.   I was so eager to try it I bought DS3.0 Advanced outright.  NOT a waste of money, but the last important fix for it got shit canned and they "GAVE" us DS 4.  To put it another way, they screwed us for nothing!  Completely free of charge!   

IT is Poser Pro 2014  I have open, and use 90% of the time.   Why not?  It WORKS! 
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: McGrandpa on June 05, 2021, 02:24:23 PM
OH um, PP 2014 also handles La Femme/LaHomme.  Rendering a LaFemme now :)
PP 11.3.818 is the latest version I have too.   
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: McGrandpa on July 18, 2021, 10:38:25 AM
Hey have any of you folks tried out the new Anime Doll La Femme?  I bought it, haven't installed it just yet.  Will get round tu it later today! 
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: McGrandpa on September 10, 2021, 10:46:15 AM
Oh coolness, Myth Busters is back on!  :oD
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: thelufias on September 10, 2021, 02:20:50 PM
I've got it also McG and have not installed as of yet....when the girls come down next time I'll set it up...

And yes with Mythbusters....At one time they had the reruns on Pluto
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: McGrandpa on September 21, 2021, 12:17:52 PM
I installed it, just haven't found it!   :lostme:
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: Jherrith on September 21, 2021, 06:43:04 PM
Depends a lot on how you install content. I have individual runtimes for my characters so LaFemme would be installed in a runtime easily found. :iminnocent:
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: McGrandpa on September 22, 2021, 01:54:19 AM
I do that too.  It's just that it's a morph, not a character.  So where did it end up going?  Me, I would put it in with the characters as it is FOR a character, not one of the original La Femme morphs.   I bet the thing got put in the main La Femme morph folder.   Yeah, La Femme/ LeHomme got their own runtime.  But then there are three Runtimes just for V4 clothing.  4 runtimes for 'finished' people ready to render.  The one for Transport, one for THINGS, 3 for Places and Stonemason, Redhouse, DM and Birdman all have their own Runtimes too.  Ah, then there is Other People too!  ;o)    Wow, 47 actual Runtimes.  Each independent of all the others.   Makes them portable!  And that's a good thing man.

Aha, it did get put in the La Femme morphs folder as it shows up IN the La Femme figures now as they are loaded fresh.    Ahh neetoh!
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: McGrandpa on September 28, 2021, 05:29:33 AM
I got some batch of simple renders of it done, but the upload file was too much file size wise, and I went back to sleep.  Sheesh. 
But here are 3 renders combined.  I used the Anime Girl morphs and a real girl texture.
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: McGrandpa on September 28, 2021, 05:30:46 AM
Oh, and when you do load the morph set, be sure to go spin its dial, the default on loading is zero, soooooo.
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: McGrandpa on September 28, 2021, 05:34:47 AM
On La Femme in general.  The whole middle section has been fixed but not in the default load.  Still looks weirded out there on loading LaFemme2 Pro.  It is the shoulders that are killing it for me.  Those Gumby shoulders have no fix anywhere that I can find.  There are fixes for the bony fingers and toes, the goofy middle too.  But not the shoulders.  Dunno who decided what the base look should be, but honestly I almost asked for my money back when I shelled out for La Femme.  But nope, I persisted with it.  Two years on now and nobody has fixed the round shoulders to look real.
Title: Re: Poser 11.2 -- The NEW Poser :(
Post by: thelufias on July 02, 2022, 08:54:44 AM
eh?  What girls?               :woohoo:

The Great Grands and their friends.  Young artists in the making LOL